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Chrkeller said:
I went back and played KH1, and quickly realised it was a 'good' game because Disney and Final Fantasy. Take out Disney + Final Fantasy, and the entire series is average at best.

I think Final Fantasy hardly has any impact in the overall KH universe. And while Disney is a huge part of its charm... KH on its own is loved by many people. People love the characters, the story and its unique gameplay as much or even more than Disney and FF.

If you take out Disney and FF, KH is  still pretty strong.



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TruckOSaurus said:
For me the series already fell down in quality with KHII, the introduction sequence with Roxas was so long and boring and the overall story was an uninteresting mess. I stopped playing KHIII halfway through because I wasn't really enjoying myself. I'm tempted to go back to the first game and see if the fond memories of it that I have are due to nostalgia or if the series is just not for me anymore.

That introduction must be one of the most divisive things in gaming. Tons of people loved it and tons hated it (I personally loved it xD)



MasonADC said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Hahaha Sora, right? "Did you play the games all the way?" Right back at you. No one who played KH3 could think Sora got anything bad at all after watching this:

So he turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone... how is that a happy ending? Also, there’s a chance that Sora doesn’t even start in that new world the next time we play as him, so there’s even more to consider. Kairi also got a “happy ending” but she is far from happy as we see in the credit scenes 

We must watch different video, i swear that i saw Riku too lol. So Sora "turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone" but because some unknown reasons, Riku was sent to that place too. Because truck-sama or something? Next Kingdom Hearts game must be the isekai game that we always want. 

"far from happy as we see in the credit scenes" we don't know about Sora current status or what Kairi really thought at that time so that is still assumption, we don't know yet. And based on what we were received, that is happy ending for all main characters or at least semi-happy, not even a single bad ending for any of them after all of the built up and tragedies from the previous games. Yeah, a Disney game definitely



HoangNhatAnh said:
MasonADC said:

So he turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone... how is that a happy ending? Also, there’s a chance that Sora doesn’t even start in that new world the next time we play as him, so there’s even more to consider. Kairi also got a “happy ending” but she is far from happy as we see in the credit scenes 

We must watch different video, i swear that i saw Riku too lol. So Sora "turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone" but because some unknown reasons, Riku was sent to that place too. Because truck-sama or something? Next Kingdom Hearts game must be the isekai game that we always want. 

"far from happy as we see in the credit scenes" we don't know about Sora current status or what Kairi really thought at that time so that is still assumption, we don't know yet. And based on what we were received, that is happy ending for all main characters or at least semi-happy, not even a single bad ending for any of them after all of the built up and tragedies from the previous games. Yeah, a Disney game definitely

Riku and Sora aren’t in the same place. Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world. I believe We saw Kairi crying while Sora was being turned to dust, so I guess those were tears of happiness? We and Kairi knows the premise of what happened. Sora used his special power(can’t remember the name ATM) to save Kairi when it wasn’t meant for saving people 



Vodacixi said:
HylianSwordsman said:

I mean, I figured you would be, but there was a thread about KH3 DLC recently that got very heated and multiple users came after me for multiple months because they were upset that I was calling them spinoffs. My original point in my first comment in that thread was something along the lines of that I thought there were too many spinoffs and didn't like having to wait 13 years for KH3, and almost everybody was royally pissed that I felt that we had gone 13 years without a proper Kingdom Hearts game, because they considered the games I call spinoffs, i.e. all the non-numbered games, to be enough to hold them over, while I felt there was a story element that I was waiting for the conclusion of that I knew I wouldn't be getting until 3, and that the games I call spinoffs only served to complicate things further.

I consider them spinoffs because none of them play like the numbered games, and the numbered games all play basically the same, and the numbered games are where the plot you actually came to see happens, while the non-numbered ones are either mostly irrelevant to that plot like Coded and 358/2 Days, or incredibly relevant because they're full of complicated details but they center around stuff other than what I came for. DDD is the worst in this regard, in my opinion, because it's about some test that really doesn't need to have a game dedicated to it, and some ridiculous younger time clone of Xehanort appears, and yes it's all very important, but damn it, if they'd just written things differently, we could have gotten straight to Kingdom Hearts 3! I mostly agree with your original post regarding how I'd take the series, but personally, I liked Aqua, and while the rewriting would probably have to start with BBS, I'd like to keep her character somehow. The concept behind the Mark of Mastery is interesting, but again, we don't need a whole game about that, so no need for DDD.

That said, the series is what it is now and I actually do like the spinoffs, especially 358/2 Days, but I just feel the series could have been presented better in its story. I wish they had made 1, then immediately made 2 with a bit more at the beginning to explain the events of CoM, then have CoM as an optional game for hardcore fans to play who want to know more about what went down, the 358/2 Days for Roxas fans who want to know more about his story, then straight into 3, with 3 written so that BBS, DDD, etc. wouldn't be necessary. I bet if you did that, and made the spinoffs for PS3 so as to help start porting the assets needed for 3 over to PS3, you could have had KH3 for PS3 in 2008 or 2009, just 4 or 5 years after KH2 instead of 13. Then you could follow KH3 up with something akin to BBS, a prequel for people curious about how the Kingdom Hearts world got the way it was, diving deep into the lore for dedicated fans. Maybe multiple prequel games, one for the more recent past setting up the events of the Xehanort Saga, and one for the distant past like that mobile gacha game, except an actual game instead with no stupid gacha elements. Coded I'd discard entirely and the Mark of Mastery would be part of 3, not its own game, so after that we'd be able to have KH4 ready for PS4's launch or at least the holiday after launch. With 2 games discarded, there'd be time to make KH5 by now, honestly. Doing it this way would keep more people interested in Kingdom Hearts for longer, which would mean a larger fanbase, and with the games all being for PS2,3, and 4, it would be much easier to follow along with the series for hardcore fans as well. Everybody wins. But instead we're in this timeline where the story is a mess and certain KH fans try to gatekeep me for daring to envision a better one.

Yeah... I saw that thread. Even though the guy you were discussing with was a bit too "agressive" and close minded... If you want some advice: Know when a discussion is not worth it. And you two reached that point weeks ago xD

Back on topic... I guess that's one way to see it. I never really thought about gameplay when deciding if a game is a spin off or not. I think story, specially in a franchise like KH, is a far more important factor to take into account.

As for the main plot being contained in the numbered game... I can't agree with that either. While Days, Coded and Union X do not provide a heavy plot expansion, games like BbS or DDD definetely contain a big enough part of the overall KH story to be almost (if not entirely) on par with the numbered games in that regard.

That being said, I respect your opinion. And I see we both agree that the franchise could have been handled much better with less games and with a more focused story. I'm glad we agree on something ^^

Yeah, and that's on me for not just letting go. I'm actually a pretty big longtime fanboy for series, so I let his gatekeeping get to me, that's my bad.

I know what people are saying about BBS and DDD, I guess objectively for the story they contain as many or more and just as consequential plot elements as the numbered ones, but they still didn't feel like the game I was waiting for. I guess I don't really know how to explain it, but whatever, point is the way they affected the story made it crazy, unfocused, and less enjoyable for a lot of people. I still love the series overall though, just wish it had been handled better. Given that we're already hearing Nomura talk about more non numbered games coming before 4, I don't think anything is changing in that regard anytime soon. If they at least come to consistent platforms, it'll at least be a bit less expensive to follow along this time.



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MasonADC said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

We must watch different video, i swear that i saw Riku too lol. So Sora "turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone" but because some unknown reasons, Riku was sent to that place too. Because truck-sama or something? Next Kingdom Hearts game must be the isekai game that we always want. 

"far from happy as we see in the credit scenes" we don't know about Sora current status or what Kairi really thought at that time so that is still assumption, we don't know yet. And based on what we were received, that is happy ending for all main characters or at least semi-happy, not even a single bad ending for any of them after all of the built up and tragedies from the previous games. Yeah, a Disney game definitely

Riku and Sora aren’t in the same place. Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world. I believe We saw Kairi crying while Sora was being turned to dust, so I guess those were tears of happiness? We and Kairi knows the premise of what happened. Sora used his special power(can’t remember the name ATM) to save Kairi when it wasn’t meant for saving people 

"Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world" Yeah, because reasons, deja vu, huh? Oh yeah, just like KH1 when those three were separated, right? Then a lot of tragic stories happened to a lot of characters in our side. And it turn out OK in the end, we lost no one. You are saying that Sora could die in KH3 but in the next game, we meet him (again) just like the previous games. No matter how bad it is, when we thought we lost him, yet he came back like nothing. Whenever there is a problem that involves Sora, Kairi could being sad or even cry (again) just to meet Sora in the ending or the next sequel (again). Wow, amazing plot for a Disney game. What a tragic ending. Whether he is playable or not, dead or alive, we only have to wait for the next mainline game to see him (again). The ending is sooooooo sad. 

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HoangNhatAnh said:
MasonADC said:

Riku and Sora aren’t in the same place. Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world. I believe We saw Kairi crying while Sora was being turned to dust, so I guess those were tears of happiness? We and Kairi knows the premise of what happened. Sora used his special power(can’t remember the name ATM) to save Kairi when it wasn’t meant for saving people 

"Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world" Yeah, because reasons, deja vu, huh? Oh yeah, just like KH1 when those three were separated, right? Then a lot of tragic stories happened to a lot of characters in our side. And it turn out OK in the end, we lost no one. You are saying that Sora could die in KH3 but in the next game, we meet him (again) just like the previous games. No matter how bad it is, when we thought we lost him, yet he came back like nothing. Whenever there is a problem that involves Sora, Kairi could being sad or even cry (again) just to meet Sora in the ending or the next sequel (again). Wow, amazing plot for a Disney game. What a tragic ending. Whether he is playable or not, dead or alive, we only have to wait for the next mainline game to see him (again). The ending is sooooooo sad. 

So because it’s not the end of the series, it’s not a sad ending? Ok, I am done here 



MasonADC said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

"Sora seems to be in TWEWY world while Riku is in Yozora’s world" Yeah, because reasons, deja vu, huh? Oh yeah, just like KH1 when those three were separated, right? Then a lot of tragic stories happened to a lot of characters in our side. And it turn out OK in the end, we lost no one. You are saying that Sora could die in KH3 but in the next game, we meet him (again) just like the previous games. No matter how bad it is, when we thought we lost him, yet he came back like nothing. Whenever there is a problem that involves Sora, Kairi could being sad or even cry (again) just to meet Sora in the ending or the next sequel (again). Wow, amazing plot for a Disney game. What a tragic ending. Whether he is playable or not, dead or alive, we only have to wait for the next mainline game to see him (again). The ending is sooooooo sad. 

So because it’s not the end of the series, it’s not a sad ending? Ok, I am done here 

Yeah, you'll see him in the next game (again and again just like all previous games) as always. If he perished completely, yeah, i could agree. But now, after the secret ending, not even funny, ridiculous. My bad, I shouldn't expect much from a Disney game