Quantcast
Kingdom Hearts should have less games and with less impact on the overall plot

Forums - Gaming Discussion - Kingdom Hearts should have less games and with less impact on the overall plot

Tagged games:

Vodacixi said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Just because the happy ending for all characters in 3? Yeah, clearly just a Disney game after all

C'mon, he has every right to like the game. There's no reason to be like that xD

Just want to ask

MasonADC said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Just because the happy ending for all characters in 3? Yeah, clearly just a Disney game after all

No, but because it did a good job at ending the stories of most characters while setting up the future. And not all characters had a happy ending 

All main characters on good side? Yes



Around the Network
HoangNhatAnh said:
Vodacixi said:

C'mon, he has every right to like the game. There's no reason to be like that xD

Just want to ask

MasonADC said:

No, but because it did a good job at ending the stories of most characters while setting up the future. And not all characters had a happy ending 

All main characters on good side? Yes

Did you play the games all the way? What happened to sora at the end? Literally the main character 



Vodacixi said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Do you regard the non-numbered games as "spinoffs"? And if not, could you respect someone who regarded them as such?

To me, it depends on the game. It's all about how much the supposed "spin off" affects the overall KH story.

Re: Coded and 358/2 Days are spin offs in my book. Basically because their stories don't affect too much to the main plot of KH. And even when they do, the changes or aditions can't be mostly ignored in the grand scheme of things. For example, if not for KH III wanting to bring everyone back, you could perfectly play through the entire series without knowing who Xion is and you would understand the main plot perfectly fine.

Now, Chain of Memories, Birth By Sleep and Dream Drip Distance... I can't consider them spin offs.  Because their plots are essential to comprehend the KH story. Skip one of them and you will be left with tons of doubts and questions when you play one of the numbered games. They are too integral to the franchise for me to see them as spin offs.

As for your second question... why wouldn't I? You can think whathever you want. As they say in my country: opinions are like asses. We all have one xD

What I mean is that I can perfectly deal with the fact that you consider them spin offs

I mean, I figured you would be, but there was a thread about KH3 DLC recently that got very heated and multiple users came after me for multiple months because they were upset that I was calling them spinoffs. My original point in my first comment in that thread was something along the lines of that I thought there were too many spinoffs and didn't like having to wait 13 years for KH3, and almost everybody was royally pissed that I felt that we had gone 13 years without a proper Kingdom Hearts game, because they considered the games I call spinoffs, i.e. all the non-numbered games, to be enough to hold them over, while I felt there was a story element that I was waiting for the conclusion of that I knew I wouldn't be getting until 3, and that the games I call spinoffs only served to complicate things further.

I consider them spinoffs because none of them play like the numbered games, and the numbered games all play basically the same, and the numbered games are where the plot you actually came to see happens, while the non-numbered ones are either mostly irrelevant to that plot like Coded and 358/2 Days, or incredibly relevant because they're full of complicated details but they center around stuff other than what I came for. DDD is the worst in this regard, in my opinion, because it's about some test that really doesn't need to have a game dedicated to it, and some ridiculous younger time clone of Xehanort appears, and yes it's all very important, but damn it, if they'd just written things differently, we could have gotten straight to Kingdom Hearts 3! I mostly agree with your original post regarding how I'd take the series, but personally, I liked Aqua, and while the rewriting would probably have to start with BBS, I'd like to keep her character somehow. The concept behind the Mark of Mastery is interesting, but again, we don't need a whole game about that, so no need for DDD.

That said, the series is what it is now and I actually do like the spinoffs, especially 358/2 Days, but I just feel the series could have been presented better in its story. I wish they had made 1, then immediately made 2 with a bit more at the beginning to explain the events of CoM, then have CoM as an optional game for hardcore fans to play who want to know more about what went down, the 358/2 Days for Roxas fans who want to know more about his story, then straight into 3, with 3 written so that BBS, DDD, etc. wouldn't be necessary. I bet if you did that, and made the spinoffs for PS3 so as to help start porting the assets needed for 3 over to PS3, you could have had KH3 for PS3 in 2008 or 2009, just 4 or 5 years after KH2 instead of 13. Then you could follow KH3 up with something akin to BBS, a prequel for people curious about how the Kingdom Hearts world got the way it was, diving deep into the lore for dedicated fans. Maybe multiple prequel games, one for the more recent past setting up the events of the Xehanort Saga, and one for the distant past like that mobile gacha game, except an actual game instead with no stupid gacha elements. Coded I'd discard entirely and the Mark of Mastery would be part of 3, not its own game, so after that we'd be able to have KH4 ready for PS4's launch or at least the holiday after launch. With 2 games discarded, there'd be time to make KH5 by now, honestly. Doing it this way would keep more people interested in Kingdom Hearts for longer, which would mean a larger fanbase, and with the games all being for PS2,3, and 4, it would be much easier to follow along with the series for hardcore fans as well. Everybody wins. But instead we're in this timeline where the story is a mess and certain KH fans try to gatekeep me for daring to envision a better one.



MasonADC said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Just want to ask

All main characters on good side? Yes

Did you play the games all the way? What happened to sora at the end? Literally the main character 

Hahaha Sora, right? "Did you play the games all the way?" Right back at you. No one who played KH3 could think Sora got anything bad at all after watching this:



After playing KH3, I'm done with the franchise.



Around the Network
HylianSwordsman said:
Vodacixi said:

To me, it depends on the game. It's all about how much the supposed "spin off" affects the overall KH story.

Re: Coded and 358/2 Days are spin offs in my book. Basically because their stories don't affect too much to the main plot of KH. And even when they do, the changes or aditions can't be mostly ignored in the grand scheme of things. For example, if not for KH III wanting to bring everyone back, you could perfectly play through the entire series without knowing who Xion is and you would understand the main plot perfectly fine.

Now, Chain of Memories, Birth By Sleep and Dream Drip Distance... I can't consider them spin offs.  Because their plots are essential to comprehend the KH story. Skip one of them and you will be left with tons of doubts and questions when you play one of the numbered games. They are too integral to the franchise for me to see them as spin offs.

As for your second question... why wouldn't I? You can think whathever you want. As they say in my country: opinions are like asses. We all have one xD

What I mean is that I can perfectly deal with the fact that you consider them spin offs

I mean, I figured you would be, but there was a thread about KH3 DLC recently that got very heated and multiple users came after me for multiple months because they were upset that I was calling them spinoffs. My original point in my first comment in that thread was something along the lines of that I thought there were too many spinoffs and didn't like having to wait 13 years for KH3, and almost everybody was royally pissed that I felt that we had gone 13 years without a proper Kingdom Hearts game, because they considered the games I call spinoffs, i.e. all the non-numbered games, to be enough to hold them over, while I felt there was a story element that I was waiting for the conclusion of that I knew I wouldn't be getting until 3, and that the games I call spinoffs only served to complicate things further.

I consider them spinoffs because none of them play like the numbered games, and the numbered games all play basically the same, and the numbered games are where the plot you actually came to see happens, while the non-numbered ones are either mostly irrelevant to that plot like Coded and 358/2 Days, or incredibly relevant because they're full of complicated details but they center around stuff other than what I came for. DDD is the worst in this regard, in my opinion, because it's about some test that really doesn't need to have a game dedicated to it, and some ridiculous younger time clone of Xehanort appears, and yes it's all very important, but damn it, if they'd just written things differently, we could have gotten straight to Kingdom Hearts 3! I mostly agree with your original post regarding how I'd take the series, but personally, I liked Aqua, and while the rewriting would probably have to start with BBS, I'd like to keep her character somehow. The concept behind the Mark of Mastery is interesting, but again, we don't need a whole game about that, so no need for DDD.

That said, the series is what it is now and I actually do like the spinoffs, especially 358/2 Days, but I just feel the series could have been presented better in its story. I wish they had made 1, then immediately made 2 with a bit more at the beginning to explain the events of CoM, then have CoM as an optional game for hardcore fans to play who want to know more about what went down, the 358/2 Days for Roxas fans who want to know more about his story, then straight into 3, with 3 written so that BBS, DDD, etc. wouldn't be necessary. I bet if you did that, and made the spinoffs for PS3 so as to help start porting the assets needed for 3 over to PS3, you could have had KH3 for PS3 in 2008 or 2009, just 4 or 5 years after KH2 instead of 13. Then you could follow KH3 up with something akin to BBS, a prequel for people curious about how the Kingdom Hearts world got the way it was, diving deep into the lore for dedicated fans. Maybe multiple prequel games, one for the more recent past setting up the events of the Xehanort Saga, and one for the distant past like that mobile gacha game, except an actual game instead with no stupid gacha elements. Coded I'd discard entirely and the Mark of Mastery would be part of 3, not its own game, so after that we'd be able to have KH4 ready for PS4's launch or at least the holiday after launch. With 2 games discarded, there'd be time to make KH5 by now, honestly. Doing it this way would keep more people interested in Kingdom Hearts for longer, which would mean a larger fanbase, and with the games all being for PS2,3, and 4, it would be much easier to follow along with the series for hardcore fans as well. Everybody wins. But instead we're in this timeline where the story is a mess and certain KH fans try to gatekeep me for daring to envision a better one.

Yeah... I saw that thread. Even though the guy you were discussing with was a bit too "agressive" and close minded... If you want some advice: Know when a discussion is not worth it. And you two reached that point weeks ago xD

Back on topic... I guess that's one way to see it. I never really thought about gameplay when deciding if a game is a spin off or not. I think story, specially in a franchise like KH, is a far more important factor to take into account.

As for the main plot being contained in the numbered game... I can't agree with that either. While Days, Coded and Union X do not provide a heavy plot expansion, games like BbS or DDD definetely contain a big enough part of the overall KH story to be almost (if not entirely) on par with the numbered games in that regard.

That being said, I respect your opinion. And I see we both agree that the franchise could have been handled much better with less games and with a more focused story. I'm glad we agree on something ^^



HoangNhatAnh said:
MasonADC said:

Hahaha Sora, right? "Did you play the games all the way?" Right back at you. No one who played KH3 could think Sora got anything bad at all after watching this:

So he turns to dust and awakenings in a whole new world all alone... how is that a happy ending? Also, there’s a chance that Sora doesn’t even start in that new world the next time we play as him, so there’s even more to consider. Kairi also got a “happy ending” but she is far from happy as we see in the credit scenes 



Talking about happy endings (and the lack of them)... I find hilarious how they brought back

Spoiler!
Riku Replica, a super forgotten character just to kill him again xD


For me the series already fell down in quality with KHII, the introduction sequence with Roxas was so long and boring and the overall story was an uninteresting mess. I stopped playing KHIII halfway through because I wasn't really enjoying myself. I'm tempted to go back to the first game and see if the fond memories of it that I have are due to nostalgia or if the series is just not for me anymore.



Signature goes here!

I went back and played KH1, and quickly realised it was a 'good' game because Disney and Final Fantasy. Take out Disney + Final Fantasy, and the entire series is average at best.