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SpokenTruth said:
gamingsoul said:

show me please

This article links to 7 studies and criminal statistics to back up my claim.

But here's a couple of simple charts for quick reference.

The real question is why do the crime rates of native-born citizens matter in a discussion about immigrant crime rates? What immigration policies will prevent native-born citizens from committing crime?



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gamingsoul said:
Socialism is wonderful, if every country in the world was socialist every person in the world would have free health care , education , housing , etc. Geez how come nobody though of this before ...

Well, as the rich wouldn't get as obscenely rich they do everything they can to avoid that scenario. And money buys influence in media and politics. So we mostly have the policies that are helping the rich most, not the majority. If you want something for the majority, it is a constant struggle against the influence of the rich.

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melbye said:
sethnintendo said:

Is that all you got because you don't have shit.  I've seen more WW2 footage than you can imagine.

Actually let me rephrase that.  FDR is more beloved than your piece of shit con man will ever be.  I will be laughing and celebrating when he dies.  And yes I'm an American.

When he dies I will go out and purchase an American flag and fly it full staff and put a made in china make America great again hat on top.  Maybe try get some bone spurs to decorate top of hat also.

You mean the guy who decided it was fair to throw US citizens who had done nothing wrong other than being Japanese into internment-camps? Yet complain about how the Trump-administration is dealing with criminals trying to cross the border illegally

Yea that was a stain on his legacy along with his overreach of powers but he actually cared about the common person (unless you were Japanese) over the rich.

Lets check out how we are treating illegal immigrants these days.  Looks like a lot worse than what we treated the Japanese besides taking all their possessions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/nearly-300-migrant-children-removed-texas-facility-described-appaling-n1021151

“Almost every child I spoke with had not showered or bathed since they crossed the border — some of them more than three weeks ago,” she said. “There is a stench that emanates from some of the children because they haven’t had an opportunity to put on clean clothes and to take a shower.”

“Children who are young themselves are being told by guards they must take care of even younger children,” Mukherjee said, adding that children as young as 7 and 8 were forced to care for 2-year-olds."

"Frye described filthy conditions, adding, “There is no soap and no water, or the water is inadequate or inaccessible unless you’re let out of the cages.”



gamingsoul said:
Guys if you think Europe is so wonderful why don’t you live there? Is not that hard just find a job and you can stay as long as you want, escape from heartless America and enjoy your social utopia.
I am not going to explain why I don’t like Europe, you can do some research on your own all I can say is that I have been there a few times.
Why is everyone who is right wing, evil, nut job , crazy, fanatic?

I was the guy asking you, and I'm from Europe (Luxembourg, to be precise). So no need for me to escape there, I'm already there.

So, again, care to explain why? i'm pretty sure all the Europeans here (and there's a lot of 'em) would love to know what's your problem with Europe.



gamingsoul said:
Socialism is wonderful, if every country in the world was socialist every person in the world would have free health care , education, housing , etc. Geez how come nobody though of this before ...

Over half the World is doing free healthcare and education - just not the US. And as for the housing, there's subsidized housing for the poor in most countries, which brings the prices down a lot - sometimes all the way down to free, though with limitations, of course. In Germany for instance, You can get housing for free as an Hartz IV recipient - you just don't get to choose and the size is limited. And they even replace furniture and basic appliances if they break. But yeah, free housing.

Just because those things ain't in the US doesn't mean nobody thought of it or isn't implemented elsewhere. You just presented to everybody the very narrow worldview and very limited knowledge of things outside of the US of yours. If you knew more about what's going on elsewhere and how things are running abroad, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even dream typing anything like that again.



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eva01beserk said:
MrWayne said:

You probably meant "state appropriation of all businesses", the word "all" is very important because almost all capitalist economies have some state owned businesses. The second sentence is also wrong, "state appropriation of all businesses" is the very first step in socialism and not a last resort, there is no socialism without the public ownership ( through the state or Worker cooperatives) of almost all businesses.

So Bernie missing this core characteristic of socialism in his policies is very important.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008 

Venezuela did not started by nationalizing all the industry, they did  some at a time, and at the beginning none where taken over. When ever they needed more money cuz they destroyed the first buisnes they took over, they move on to the next one. The latest things they took over was personal homes to turn a area into a turist atraction.

The same will be with berni and the rest of the democrats runing on socialism. When its ovbious that they cant pay for it, another sector will suffer and so on and so on, just like venezuela.

So Venezuela didn't immediately went socialist the moment Chavez was elected, I got it. 

Look I'm not a Socialist and I don't want to defend Socialism nor Maduro and Chavez, they are awful but it's incredibly dishonest fear mongering to say the "far left" democratic candidates will turn the US into a failed socialist country like Venezuela. Bernie, Warren and co have very moderate policies which have been in force in other countries for decades without turning those countries into "shithole countries".

Hell Germany has a form of universal healthcare since 1883 and I'm unaware that Germany is known for ruining its economy or that Germans are known to be lazy.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
gamingsoul said:
Guys if you think Europe is so wonderful why don’t you live there? Is not that hard just find a job and you can stay as long as you want, escape from heartless America and enjoy your social utopia.
I am not going to explain why I don’t like Europe, you can do some research on your own all I can say is that I have been there a few times.
Why is everyone who is right wing, evil, nut job , crazy, fanatic?

I was the guy asking you, and I'm from Europe (Luxembourg, to be precise). So no need for me to escape there, I'm already there.

So, again, care to explain why? i'm pretty sure all the Europeans here (and there's a lot of 'em) would love to know what's your problem with Europe.

Isn't it obvious? Europe is a socialist hellhole, didn't you know! And that's because... err... *leaf through pages*... I have it somewhere here... erm... ah right: because Venezuela!!! Because in venezuela people starve and in europe... well, they don't, but I am sure they start starving every second now, because socialism!!!!! So it is a total valid comparison and all!!!!!!! That's why nobody needs this communist health care, real man don't get sick anyway!!!!!!!! And who the hell needs education, it gives people only the wrong ideas!



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MrWayne said:
eva01beserk said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008 

Venezuela did not started by nationalizing all the industry, they did  some at a time, and at the beginning none where taken over. When ever they needed more money cuz they destroyed the first buisnes they took over, they move on to the next one. The latest things they took over was personal homes to turn a area into a turist atraction.

The same will be with berni and the rest of the democrats runing on socialism. When its ovbious that they cant pay for it, another sector will suffer and so on and so on, just like venezuela.

So Venezuela didn't immediately went socialist the moment Chavez was elected, I got it. 

Look I'm not a Socialist and I don't want to defend Socialism nor Maduro and Chavez, they are awful but it's incredibly dishonest fear mongering to say the "far left" democratic candidates will turn the US into a failed socialist country like Venezuela. Bernie, Warren and co have very moderate policies which have been in force in other countries for decades without turning those countries into "shithole countries".

Hell Germany has a form of universal healthcare since 1883 and I'm unaware that Germany is known for ruining its economy or that Germans are known to be lazy.

Well, without universal health care Hitler might have gotten sick and died before he took over power, so health care is bad.



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eva01beserk said:
Torillian said:

California leads in mass shootings when you don't account for population. Which is one of the stupidest ways to compare different areas. If I told you China had 8 mass shooting in 2018 and Belgium had 7 would you really just say "welp that's interesting, China had the most mass shootings, they need to get their shit together" and move on with your day?

From your article: "With another mass shooting in California, number 19 since 1984, the state leads the nation in most deaths from these kinds of violent killings—but only because it is by far the most populous state."

It's no. 20 in economic opportunity, the reason opportunity in general is so low is because of affordability. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california

So were gona have to put buts and exceptions then? ok. then illegal immigrants are the most violent and do the most crimes if you account for per capita  do you agree with that?

Again, with the affordability, with california leading the way in social programs, how is affordability the worst than any other state?

how are you going to account for the expected increase in anything when more people are somewhere other than using a per capita value? If I ask you about the expected rate of a chemical reaction and you try to use raw amount of material instead of concentration you'll just be wrong, it's not a matter of "buts and exceptions" it's just how data is analyzed correctly or not. 



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Mnementh said:
MrWayne said:

So Venezuela didn't immediately went socialist the moment Chavez was elected, I got it. 

Look I'm not a Socialist and I don't want to defend Socialism nor Maduro and Chavez, they are awful but it's incredibly dishonest fear mongering to say the "far left" democratic candidates will turn the US into a failed socialist country like Venezuela. Bernie, Warren and co have very moderate policies which have been in force in other countries for decades without turning those countries into "shithole countries".

Hell Germany has a form of universal healthcare since 1883 and I'm unaware that Germany is known for ruining its economy or that Germans are known to be lazy.

Well, without universal health care Hitler might have gotten sick and died before he took over power, so health care is bad.

Hitler was an immigration problem, after all he was austrian not german.