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twintail said:
KrspaceT said:

Ammibo are actually far more akin to 'LOL Surprise' and Kindereggs than digital content. Also most if not a vast majority of Amiibo content are costume DLC, hardly levels or such, and you don't plop them down to get super weapons for Splatoon 

Nah, that is just defending Nintendo for allowing ingame content to be locked until the player had an appropiate amiibo. Costumes are still content.

Yeah, but your argument was to compare it to loot boxes anyway, but amiibo (if you wanna completely ignore their function as figurine, which people also purchase without anything digital) is more akin to pretty standard DLC. There is no 'surprise mechanic' hidden behind Amiibo, you know what you get: a new Mii-costume in Mario Kart, a new level in Twilight Princess remaster on WiiU, Amiibo-fighters in Smash and so on.



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potato_hamster said:
Mnementh said:

Well, exactly one of these IPs is actually from EA, so this is not the greatest of all points. (Also technically AssCreed is on Switch, but you mean current ones.)

But you have to see, that this sword uts both ways: Think how much more Sony and MS could sell, if they had games like Mario Kart, Zelda, Xenoblade, Pokemon and Civilization.

The basic point is: a gaming platforms sells based on the games it has. More games is always better. Some games are very popular and help more. And different games deliver for different tastes. So if current Nintendo platform owner dislike games that aren't actually on their platform it makes a lot of sense: if they would like these games, they had chosen another platform. And that current PS4/XB1 owners dislike Nintendo games makes also sense - if they would like them, they would own a Nintendo platform.

Would it be great if one platform had all games? Pronably that would also be bad, but the more games a platform accumulates, the better. Currently it doesn't look too bad for Switch. That the lineup doesn't contain stuff you like means you probably don't own one. But that doesn't change the fact that millions like the Switch - because they have different tastes than you and therefore deem different games important.

*claims that since one of the games I listed was from EA on a point about overall third party support means my point isn't great*

*claims "sword cuts both ways" by pointing out Sony would sell more Playstations if they had Nintendo first party games... and Civilization*

*goes on some tangent about how Nintendo owners don't like PS4/Xbox games, and PS4/Xbox owners don't like Nintendo games so its fine their libraries don't have that much in common, or something*

*thinks I probably don't own a Switch because I don't like how poor the third party support is for the Switch*

Okay man. You think whatever you want to think. There's obviously no reasonable conversation to be had with you.


So you can't argue logical against my argument and decide to just claim they are unreasonable, without any basis... yeah, nice discussion style.



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Mnementh said:
potato_hamster said:

*claims that since one of the games I listed was from EA on a point about overall third party support means my point isn't great*

*claims "sword cuts both ways" by pointing out Sony would sell more Playstations if they had Nintendo first party games... and Civilization*

*goes on some tangent about how Nintendo owners don't like PS4/Xbox games, and PS4/Xbox owners don't like Nintendo games so its fine their libraries don't have that much in common, or something*

*thinks I probably don't own a Switch because I don't like how poor the third party support is for the Switch*

Okay man. You think whatever you want to think. There's obviously no reasonable conversation to be had with you.


So you can't argue logical against my argument and decide to just claim they are unreasonable, without any basis... yeah, nice discussion style.

Your post is logically sound.  I don't even own Switch yet but know it will eventually be my next platform.  I'm just waiting for games that  I want to be released  Would I like twisted metal on Nintendo platform.  Hell yea I would but I know it's all Sony.  Problem with console is you give and take what it has to offer.  Right now Nintendo has only thing to offer to me in future.  I already have a gaming PC.  I can play all AAA 3rd party games if I wanted to.  I want to eventually play Nintendo games so eventually I will have to get a switch.



Mnementh said:
twintail said:

Nah, that is just defending Nintendo for allowing ingame content to be locked until the player had an appropiate amiibo. Costumes are still content.

Yeah, but your argument was to compare it to loot boxes anyway, but amiibo (if you wanna completely ignore their function as figurine, which people also purchase without anything digital) is more akin to pretty standard DLC. There is no 'surprise mechanic' hidden behind Amiibo, you know what you get: a new Mii-costume in Mario Kart, a new level in Twilight Princess remaster on WiiU, Amiibo-fighters in Smash and so on.

The only thing I was comparing was the need for money to access content. Sure, you are right they are not the same, but I never said they were. 



twintail said:
Mnementh said:

Yeah, but your argument was to compare it to loot boxes anyway, but amiibo (if you wanna completely ignore their function as figurine, which people also purchase without anything digital) is more akin to pretty standard DLC. There is no 'surprise mechanic' hidden behind Amiibo, you know what you get: a new Mii-costume in Mario Kart, a new level in Twilight Princess remaster on WiiU, Amiibo-fighters in Smash and so on.

The only thing I was comparing was the need for money to access content. Sure, you are right they are not the same, but I never said they were. 

Well, your exact words were: "You are worried about mobile loot boxes now when nintendo locked contemt behind amiibo purchases back on the wiiu?"

So you actually compared it. Maybe you meant something different, but people here cannot read your mind, if you mean something different. So if you're being cryptic and ambiguous in your posts, you cannot expect everyone to react to what you meant, but have to endure people who answer to what you wrote.



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Mnementh said:
twintail said:

The only thing I was comparing was the need for money to access content. Sure, you are right they are not the same, but I never said they were. 

Well, your exact words were: "You are worried about mobile loot boxes now when nintendo locked contemt behind amiibo purchases back on the wiiu?"

So you actually compared it. Maybe you meant something different, but people here cannot read your mind, if you mean something different. So if you're being cryptic and ambiguous in your posts, you cannot expect everyone to react to what you meant, but have to endure people who answer to what you wrote.

There is no ambiguity. Comparing things doesn't mean that you necessarily equate them as being 100% the same. This is the real life nature of comparisons. if I compared Japanese ppl to South African ppl, obviously that is not a 100% sameness. It is about things that are similar between both subjects. No where in my original comment that I say that both items are the same thing. That is your misunderstanding. 

Now, if you can't accept my clarification of my comment, then there is nothing I can do for you. 



twintail said:
Mnementh said:

Well, your exact words were: "You are worried about mobile loot boxes now when nintendo locked contemt behind amiibo purchases back on the wiiu?"

So you actually compared it. Maybe you meant something different, but people here cannot read your mind, if you mean something different. So if you're being cryptic and ambiguous in your posts, you cannot expect everyone to react to what you meant, but have to endure people who answer to what you wrote.

There is no ambiguity. Comparing things doesn't mean that you necessarily equate them as being 100% the same. This is the real life nature of comparisons. if I compared Japanese ppl to South African ppl, obviously that is not a 100% sameness. It is about things that are similar between both subjects. No where in my original comment that I say that both items are the same thing. That is your misunderstanding. 

Now, if you can't accept my clarification of my comment, then there is nothing I can do for you. 

The way you worded it definitely implies they're 100% equally egregious business practices at the least, to the point where everyone who hates loot boxes but were ok with amiibo are now hypocrites apparently. You then try to say you were just making a statement based on content locked behind paywalls in general, which wasn't the only or even main problem people were criticising about loot boxes in the first place, making your whole argument a straw man.

Argue whatever semantics you like, you're in the wrong here.



Shaunodon said:
twintail said:

There is no ambiguity. Comparing things doesn't mean that you necessarily equate them as being 100% the same. This is the real life nature of comparisons. if I compared Japanese ppl to South African ppl, obviously that is not a 100% sameness. It is about things that are similar between both subjects. No where in my original comment that I say that both items are the same thing. That is your misunderstanding. 

Now, if you can't accept my clarification of my comment, then there is nothing I can do for you. 

The way you worded it definitely implies they're 100% equally egregious business practices at the least, to the point where everyone who hates loot boxes but were ok with amiibo are now hypocrites apparently. You then try to say you were just making a statement based on content locked behind paywalls in general, which wasn't the only or even main problem people were criticising about loot boxes in the first place, making your whole argument a straw man.

Argue whatever semantics you like, you're in the wrong here.

What a strange take. It's a gross re-interpretation of what I said, but whatever I guess. Maybe if I had said 'when you are ok with Nintendo locking content being amiibos', you would be right. But I didn't.

I never made the the person I quoted the subject of my 2nd clause, nor did I make his opinion the subject of my 2nd clauses.

So no, there is no implied notion that ppl are hypocrites. That is just your poor misreading of my comment. 



twintail said:
Shaunodon said:

The way you worded it definitely implies they're 100% equally egregious business practices at the least, to the point where everyone who hates loot boxes but were ok with amiibo are now hypocrites apparently. You then try to say you were just making a statement based on content locked behind paywalls in general, which wasn't the only or even main problem people were criticising about loot boxes in the first place, making your whole argument a straw man.

Argue whatever semantics you like, you're in the wrong here.

What a strange take. It's a gross re-interpretation of what I said, but whatever I guess. Maybe if I had said 'when you are ok with Nintendo locking content being amiibos', you would be right. But I didn't.

I never made the the person I quoted the subject of my 2nd clause, nor did I make his opinion the subject of my 2nd clauses.

So no, there is no implied notion that ppl are hypocrites. That is just your poor misreading of my comment. 

This is the same problem that occured in the best E3 thread where you started an argument by saying that you are baffled that so many people think Nintendo's E3 Direct was great when it had so many ports and remasters. When it was pointed out to you that people are actually first and foremost excited because of the exclusive lineup, you made yourself believe that your original point still stands and made implicit and explicit statements that people who disagreed with you have poor reading comprehension and/or low standards when judging the quality of a presentation.

It's a recurring situation where either your argument or the way you present your argument is of insufficient quality. But I'd actually say that it's a combination of both.



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RolStoppable said:
twintail said:

What a strange take. It's a gross re-interpretation of what I said, but whatever I guess. Maybe if I had said 'when you are ok with Nintendo locking content being amiibos', you would be right. But I didn't.

I never made the the person I quoted the subject of my 2nd clause, nor did I make his opinion the subject of my 2nd clauses.

So no, there is no implied notion that ppl are hypocrites. That is just your poor misreading of my comment. 

This is the same problem that occured in the best E3 thread where you started an argument by saying that you are baffled that so many people think Nintendo's E3 Direct was great when it had so many ports and remasters. When it was pointed out to you that people are actually first and foremost excited because of the exclusive lineup, you made yourself believe that your original point still stands and made implicit and explicit statements that people who disagreed with you have poor reading comprehension and/or low standards when judging the quality of a presentation.

It's a recurring situation where either your argument or the way you present your argument is of insufficient quality. But I'd actually say that it's a combination of both.

I ended up agreeing with a few ppl on the overall quality being good (which was my take too) because of the exclusives, but I'll take your word for it.