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RolStoppable said:
Colin Moriarty is the prototype of a hardcore Sony fanboy, so if he's the sole source for "definitively more powerful" (according to the article he is), then this whole rumor can be dismissed as hearsay and wishful thinking.

TIL "Prototypes of hardcore Sony fanboys" call themselves diehard Nintendo fans first and foremost, constantly criticize and admonish Sony for creating products with poorly thought out or anti-consumer features, and regularly praise and celebrate Nintendo and Microsoft for doing things he thinks are good for the industry and their consumer bases.

How about you look into Colin's comparison of Sony's approach to the PS4 Pro and Microsoft's approach to the Xbox One X and get back to me about how much of a Sony fanboy he is.



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potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:
Colin Moriarty is the prototype of a hardcore Sony fanboy, so if he's the sole source for "definitively more powerful" (according to the article he is), then this whole rumor can be dismissed as hearsay and wishful thinking.

TIL "Prototypes of hardcore Sony fanboys" call themselves diehard Nintendo fans first and foremost, constantly criticize and admonish Sony for creating products with poorly thought out or anti-consumer features, and regularly praise and celebrate Nintendo and Microsoft for doing things he thinks are good for the industry and their consumer bases.

How about you look into Colin's comparison of Sony's approach to the PS4 Pro and Microsoft's approach to the Xbox One X and get back to me about how much of a Sony fanboy he is.

Why should I? It was already proven the last time you defended him that Moriarty tries to keep up a disguise.

Just look at the evidence you have at hand here. Moriarty is claiming that the PS5 will definitely be more powerful at a time when it has yet to be confirmed to anyone what the final specs of both consoles will be. Who other than a fanboy would claim such a thing as definitive?

Or do you consider his claim reasonable?



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

TIL "Prototypes of hardcore Sony fanboys" call themselves diehard Nintendo fans first and foremost, constantly criticize and admonish Sony for creating products with poorly thought out or anti-consumer features, and regularly praise and celebrate Nintendo and Microsoft for doing things he thinks are good for the industry and their consumer bases.

How about you look into Colin's comparison of Sony's approach to the PS4 Pro and Microsoft's approach to the Xbox One X and get back to me about how much of a Sony fanboy he is.

Why should I? It was already proven the last time you defended him that Moriarty tries to keep up a disguise.

Just look at the evidence you have at hand here. Moriarty is claiming that the PS5 will definitely be more powerful at a time when it has yet to be confirmed to anyone what the final specs of both consoles will be. Who other than a fanboy would claim such a thing as definitive?

Or do you consider his claim reasonable?

That disguise being.... writing super detailed walkthroughs for RPGs he loved, many of which on Super Nintendo, that got him noticed and gave him his start in the gaming industry? What is it that makes his Nintendo fandom a disguise? Is it the alleged King DeDeDe tattoo that make it a disguise?

I don't have access to his sources. Do you? How do you know the specs of PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are not yet finalized. For all you know the PS5 will be announced at TGS and released November. I doubt that but it's certainly not impossible. I don't know if his claims are unreasonable, but neither do you. But,  certainly don't see any reason to not believe him.

If the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are released and the PS5 is more powerful than the Xbox Scarlett, would that sway your opinion of Colin in any way? Because I'm betting it doesn't. In fact, let me ask you this, what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?



potato_hamster said:

That disguise being.... writing super detailed walkthroughs for RPGs he loved, many of which on Super Nintendo, that got him noticed and gave him his start in the gaming industry? What is it that makes his Nintendo fandom a disguise? Is it the alleged King DeDeDe tattoo that make it a disguise?

I don't have access to his sources. Do you? How do you know the specs of PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are not yet finalized. For all you know the PS5 will be announced at TGS and released November. I doubt that but it's certainly not impossible. I don't know if his claims are unreasonable, but neither do you. But,  certainly don't see any reason to not believe him.

If the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are released and the PS5 is more powerful than the Xbox Scarlett, would that sway your opinion of Colin in any way? Because I'm betting it doesn't. In fact, let me ask you this, what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?

I am using common sense. The development kits a year and a half away from launch are definitely not the final version of a console, because manufacturers keep an eye on the prices of various components and make adjustments accordingly. Your counter-argument that the PS5 could be released this November is so incredibly poor that I have to wonder why you defend Moriarty time and time again. If the PS5 launched this year and therefore one year earlier than Scarlett (which was confirmed for holidays 2020), then why would anyone expect it to be more powerful than Scarlett? You should give your posts a lot more thought before you hit the submit button.



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

That disguise being.... writing super detailed walkthroughs for RPGs he loved, many of which on Super Nintendo, that got him noticed and gave him his start in the gaming industry? What is it that makes his Nintendo fandom a disguise? Is it the alleged King DeDeDe tattoo that make it a disguise?

I don't have access to his sources. Do you? How do you know the specs of PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are not yet finalized. For all you know the PS5 will be announced at TGS and released November. I doubt that but it's certainly not impossible. I don't know if his claims are unreasonable, but neither do you. But,  certainly don't see any reason to not believe him.

If the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett are released and the PS5 is more powerful than the Xbox Scarlett, would that sway your opinion of Colin in any way? Because I'm betting it doesn't. In fact, let me ask you this, what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?

I am using common sense. The development kits a year and a half away from launch are definitely not the final version of a console, because manufacturers keep an eye on the prices of various components and make adjustments accordingly. Your counter-argument that the PS5 could be released this November is so incredibly poor that I have to wonder why you defend Moriarty time and time again. If the PS5 launched this year and therefore one year earlier than Scarlett (which was confirmed for holidays 2020), then why would anyone expect it to be more powerful than Scarlett? You should give your posts a lot more thought before you hit the submit button.

You're now assuming the PS5 is coming out holidays 2020. You're also assuming that a console launched a year earlier would not be more powerful than one launched after. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Xbox 360 more powerful than the PS3 in many ways, or at least on-par with the PS3's performance despite the year head start and the smaller price tag?

This is just one more instance of you letting your feelings get in the way of facts. Perhaps you should take your own advice on giving your own posts more thought.

Let me ask you again: what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?



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potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

I am using common sense. The development kits a year and a half away from launch are definitely not the final version of a console, because manufacturers keep an eye on the prices of various components and make adjustments accordingly. Your counter-argument that the PS5 could be released this November is so incredibly poor that I have to wonder why you defend Moriarty time and time again. If the PS5 launched this year and therefore one year earlier than Scarlett (which was confirmed for holidays 2020), then why would anyone expect it to be more powerful than Scarlett? You should give your posts a lot more thought before you hit the submit button.

You're now assuming the PS5 is coming out holidays 2020. You're also assuming that a console launched a year earlier would not be more powerful than one launched after. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Xbox 360 more powerful than the PS3 in many ways, or at least on-par with the PS3's performance despite the year head start and the smaller price tag?

This is just one more instance of you letting your feelings get in the way of facts. Perhaps you should take your own advice on giving your own posts more thought.

Let me ask you again: what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?

Nothing you say Will ever make him admit that , Colin Said mean things about some Nintendo games my dude , how can he BE a fan? He even Said Vita would sell more than Nintendo portable. The nerve of the fucking guy... the hater!!!

Problem is that Colin unlike other people in gaming press have the fucking balls to criticize nintendo  and is not afraid to say his opinion , Nintendo fans are not used to it.



 

potato_hamster said:

You're now assuming the PS5 is coming out holidays 2020. You're also assuming that a console launched a year earlier would not be more powerful than one launched after. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Xbox 360 more powerful than the PS3 in many ways, or at least on-par with the PS3's performance despite the year head start and the smaller price tag?

This is just one more instance of you letting your feelings get in the way of facts. Perhaps you should take your own advice on giving your own posts more thought.

Let me ask you again: what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?

The general consensus on the power disparity between the 360 and PS3 is that the PS3 was the more powerful console because its exclusive games produced better results. The big catch was that it was more difficult to get good results from the PS3 than from the 360, but the topic isn't ease of development.

If you look at the history of PS and Xbox consoles, you'll see a clear trend that the console that had a headstart was always the weaker one.

PS2 vs. Xbox: Xbox launched later, was more powerful.
PS3 vs. 360: PS3 launched later, was more powerful.
PS4 vs. XB1: Launched at the same time, PS4 was more powerful.
PS4 Pro vs. XB1X: XB1X launched later, was more powerful.

The logical conclusion is that a PS5 that launches earlier won't be as powerful as its Xbox counterpart. When both launch at the same time, it's up in the air which one is more powerful. But unlike with the XB1, Microsoft has already said that Scarlet will be about gaming and that power will play a central role in the development process.

With both consoles being more than one year away, it's up in the air which one will be more powerful. Therefore making a definitive claim in either direction (like Moriarty did) is not reasonable.

As for your concluding questions, he would have to consistently give credit to Nintendo when credit is due. But what he actually does is bashing. One such instance was another time you defended him, when he said things along the lines of "Nintendo messed up with Switch." Another instance was when he responded to good Switch sales by downplaying them, showing that he lacks the decency to admit when he is wrong. Those aren't the actions of a Nintendo fan, but rather those of a Nintendo detractor. Lastly, his legendary sales prediction for the outcome of the 3DS vs. Vita battle was filled with contempt towards Nintendo's console and its games.

In short, he would have to behave like a Nintendo fan in order for me to consider that he is a legit Nintendo fan. A token gesture on small things here or there doesn't undo the trolling on the big things, hence why I call it a disguise.



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shikamaru317 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Since when has the quality of multiplats been a substantial driver for console sales?  Historically that has never been the case.  

The average gamer in a gen buys a console to play with their friends.  Since PS4 got a jump start, it continued momentum even when XB was cheaper because people were still going to buy the same system their friend already had.  

Friends is a factor for sure, but specs are definitely a factor for alot of people, myself included. If two consoles are somewhat similar in price and one of them is noticeably more powerful than the other, like PS4 vs XB1, people go with the more powerful one.

It's a factor for me for sure. Unfortunately that all goes out the window next gen for two reasons. Both of which hurt Xbox IMO.

1. Backwards compatibility. Very few people are going to be willing to give up their games for a new console that is slightly stronger. This goes for both sides but it hurts Xbox more for obvious reasons. I know for a fact I'm not giving up my PS4 library just for a stronger xbox. I was hesitant to give up my 360 for a PS4 because of achievements. 

2. Games. Xbox did horrible this gen with games and I think people will remember that. I remembered how poorly they did with the 360 towards the end of the gen and I saw PS3 still getting games and it bothered me a bit. It was part of the reason I switched as well (less powerful and the used games situation was the main reason though). Also with MS releasing all their games on PC and Xbox now PC players no longer have any reason to get an Xbox. While I know that's not very many people it's still less sales.



What a clever Nintendo hater, not only have Nintendo tattoos, but also have good praises for games on SNES...

To bad Rol wasn't on the other threads calling some users fanboy because they were certain Xb4 will be stronger than PS5. Certain to a point of saying there would be no way MS would allow PS5 to be stronger.



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

You're now assuming the PS5 is coming out holidays 2020. You're also assuming that a console launched a year earlier would not be more powerful than one launched after. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Xbox 360 more powerful than the PS3 in many ways, or at least on-par with the PS3's performance despite the year head start and the smaller price tag?

This is just one more instance of you letting your feelings get in the way of facts. Perhaps you should take your own advice on giving your own posts more thought.

Let me ask you again: what would it take to convince you that Colin is a Nintendo fan? What would he have to do?

The general consensus on the power disparity between the 360 and PS3 is that the PS3 was the more powerful console because its exclusive games produced better results. The big catch was that it was more difficult to get good results from the PS3 than from the 360, but the topic isn't ease of development.

If you look at the history of PS and Xbox consoles, you'll see a clear trend that the console that had a headstart was always the weaker one.

PS2 vs. Xbox: Xbox launched later, was more powerful.
PS3 vs. 360: PS3 launched later, was more powerful.
PS4 vs. XB1: Launched at the same time, PS4 was more powerful.
PS4 Pro vs. XB1X: XB1X launched later, was more powerful.

The logical conclusion is that a PS5 that launches earlier won't be as powerful as its Xbox counterpart. When both launch at the same time, it's up in the air which one is more powerful. But unlike with the XB1, Microsoft has already said that Scarlet will be about gaming and that power will play a central role in the development process.

With both consoles being more than one year away, it's up in the air which one will be more powerful. Therefore making a definitive claim in either direction (like Moriarty did) is not reasonable.

As for your concluding questions, he would have to consistently give credit to Nintendo when credit is due. But what he actually does is bashing. One such instance was another time you defended him, when he said things along the lines of "Nintendo messed up with Switch." Another instance was when he responded to good Switch sales by downplaying them, showing that he lacks the decency to admit when he is wrong. Those aren't the actions of a Nintendo fan, but rather those of a Nintendo detractor. Lastly, his legendary sales prediction for the outcome of the 3DS vs. Vita battle was filled with contempt towards Nintendo's console and its games.

In short, he would have to behave like a Nintendo fan in order for me to consider that he is a legit Nintendo fan. A token gesture on small things here or there doesn't undo the trolling on the big things, hence why I call it a disguise.

Aww that's sweet how you're stretching to claim the PS3 "was more powerful" than the X360. Good one.

That's not a conclusion that a console launching before the other would be less powerful than the one launching later. That's an assumption. You're making an assumption. If the PS5 launches before the XB Scarlett and is more powerful, your assumption would be wrong. Concluding that this will not happen is foolish. What was that about thinking carefully about what you post?


News flash Rol: You don't decide what credit Nintendo deserves. Also, define "behave like a Nintendo fan". It seems to me that you have an image in your head of "what a Nintendo fan is" and anyone that doesn't fit that is faking it. That's not up to you. I know plenty of Nintendo fans that thought the Switch was a bad move before launch. I know some others that still prefer their 3DS to their Switch.  I know plenty of other Nintendo fans that aren't too happy about the games situation on the Switch and how that has evolved, and how it's AAA third party support is still total shit. I suppose in your mind none of those people are Nintendo fans?

Once again, treating your opinion like objective truth does nothing but make you look bad. But hey, who needs facts when they have feelings, right?