You literally did a quickrick how can i assume something else

Edit: anyway im going to be suprised if they vary more then 5% in power

Yeah, what's going to matter are features, price, who's the first to come up with compelling exclusive software and which one grabs the right advertising deals with 3rd party software.

Which or where did I do a quickrick?

If the rumors for Lockhart are true, and it does have around a 4-5 TF Navi GPU and 6-8 core Ryzen CPU, then Lockhart alone could be said to be 4X more powerful than XB1X. That 4-5 TF Navi GPU would probably come close to matching the 6 TF XB1X Polaris GPU, so were they talking about Anaconda or Lockhart? You could still technically say 'it'll eat monsters for breakfast', since Lockhart would be considerably more capable than XB1X, just more so in terms of CPU.

Anaconda would not be 24TF, and if by some chance that were to be the case somehow, if most can agree that a 12 TF console would be around $500, then Anaconda would cost $1,000+. The Apple or Nvidia business model is not going to work for consoles anytime soon.

For reference, the xbox one x is about 4.5x the xbox one, so a smaller 'jump' than the mid gen refresh....

That jump is also majority GPU.

Lockhart could be dumped according to DF.

Yup, to go from 900p to 4K. 8K is just a supported resolution, as well as 120 fps. Not realistic.

And faster streaming from storage and much faster CPU is bad news for forwards compatibility. As Sony demonstrated with Spiderman, building games around much faster data loading means the games can't run on the older hardware. Which is fine, clean break for progress.

I've been suggesting this since the X1X launched. If that box was $499 after 4 years into the generation, what can the next gen be at $399 in 3 years? Now its hard to imagine next gen being $399.

Although I would prefer the new consoles launch for $499 so they have better specs. Meanwhile rely on cross gen ports for those not willing to spend $499.

We at least know all the gaming crucial specs are getting a significant upgrade (GPU, CPU, RAM, storage). I would be perfectly content 12TF of GPU power. As long as AAA games are (or more regularly) 1440p-4K with 60 fps, more polish, faster loading, that will be a significant upgrade. I would gladly pay $499 for that.

Dear god. I can tell people are going to flog that as a selling point in their spec wars comparison.

The original Xbox had the option for developers to use some of the mechanical hard drive storage as "Virtual Ram". - The Xbox One has this capability also, it's not a new concept, it's not a selling point, PC has been doing it for 30+ years.

I agree. I think we can expect a significant step up over the Playstation 4 Pro and Xbox One X consoles, it's going to be significant, especially as next gen seems to be very focused on lighting, shadowing and reflections.

This is why I have been saying that flops is irrelevant on these forums for years. Because it simply is.
Now because we aren't seeing 12-24 Teraflop consoles next gen, people are thinking it's not a big leap in performance... When it actually is a big leap.

Rendering a games world is so much more than just the single precision floating point math that is used.

Depends on clocks of course, if Microsoft dials the clock-rates on the 8-core Ryzen home (I.E. 3.6Ghz+) - Then I would expect more than just a 4x increase in CPU performance over Jaguar, it's Jaguar, it was a terrible low-end CPU even on release.

But if Microsoft is going conservative with CPU clocks in order to spend more TDP on the GPU part of the chip, then a 4x increase is pretty reasonable I guess, but I would hope for more.

Depends on the task... Remember this isn't the same Navi GPU that the PC is getting, it's a step up with dedicated Ray Tracing hardware, so Microsoft is likely including the capabilities of the Ray Tracing hardware in it's "performance calculations" so to speak.

Probably a fair assessment. Although Sony has been pretty "mum" on dedicated hardware Ray Tracing, where-as Microsoft has come out and mentioned it, so if Scarlett has hardware Ray Tracing and the Playstation 5 doesn't, that could be a big selling point for the Xbox... And you can bet Microsoft will milk that.

My own guesstimate pegged it at around 8-10x, sometimes more depending on instructions being employed.

They made no specific mentions of any components, so we can assume it's overall performance rather than any specific cherry-picked components.

As for the Ram speed, Navi has made improvements to memory compression, so the real-world bandwidth available for the chip isn't a 1:1 comparison.

Probably be a day 1 purchase for me too. Call me keen... Although I think the transition from 8th to 9th gen is going to be an insanely long one sadly.