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Pokemon Sword/Shield will not feature all Pokemon - Just the ones in the regional dex.

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Does this affect your decision to get the game?

No, still hyped. 24 39.34%
 
Yes, hype gone, not buying. 10 16.39%
 
Eh, I don't like this but will wait and see. 10 16.39%
 
Eh, I hate this, but will get it anyway. 13 21.31%
 
Wasn't getting it from the start. 4 6.56%
 
Total:61

If anything could be making getting all these Poke'mon into a single game difficult, it is going to be the animation. Animating models (even old ones from 3DS days), can be time intensive. If we go into Sword/Shield and everybody has new attack animations, along with petting/field animations then we will know what held them back. On the other hand if all the Poke's have the same attack animations as the last two gens, then we know they are being lazy.



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Cerebralbore101 said:

shikamaru317 said:

Part of it is laziness, but I think most of the problem is a complete unwillingness to expand as a studio. Gamefreak is the only developer of a 10m+ per game selling franchise to have less than 200 developers as far as I know. Even worse, not all of their 143 devs work on a single game, they are most likely currently working on 4-5 different projects; Sword/Shield, Giga Wrecker Alt, Town, Sword and Shield's 3rd version, and possibly Gen 4 remakes or Let's Go Gen 2 remakes are already in early development. There's no denying that Gamefreak is woefully understaffed to be handling a franchise as popular as Pokemon, where even the remakes sell over 10m and the main games push pretty close to 20m. 

Comparison of Gamefreak's size to other studios that develop games that sell over 10m:

-Pokemon- Gamefreak- 143 devs split across multiple teams

-The Last of Us, Uncharted 4- Naughty Dog- 497 devs (most likely currently split into 2 team, the larger team on The Last of Us 2 and the smaller on a different game)

-Horizon Zero Dawn- Guerrilla Games- 250 devs (plans to expand to 400 after moving to a new building so that they can develop 2 games at once)

-Red Dead Redemption 2- Rockstar- Exact developer count unknown, but Rockstar claims that it was a collaborative effort with work on the game being done by teams at all of their studios, and they employ 2000 people across all of their studios, so probably at least 1000 people worked on the game in some capacity.

-Elder Scrolls and Fallout- Bethesda- Bethesda staffed up to around 200 for their last main game, Falllout 4, and are currently staffed up to 400+ devs across 4 studios

-The Witcher and Cyberpunk- CD Projekt Red- Witcher 3 started development with 150 full-time devs, increasing to 250 before the game was finished, and 1500 total people worked on the game in some capacity, between contract developers and localization teams. They have staffed up for their next game, Cyberpunk 2077, with over 400 full-time developers working on the game. 

-Call of Duty- Treyarch, Infinity Ward, and Sledgehammer- Treyarch and Infinity Ward each have over 500 devs now, while Sledgehammer is down to 225 after recent disarray at the studio. 

-God of War 4- Sony Santa Monica- 200+ devs

-Borderlands 2- Gearbox- Gearbox currently employs 368 devs as Borderlands 3's release approaches. 

Naughty Dog, CD Project Red, and Rockstar work their staff to the absolute bone. Bethesda's main studio hasn't done anything good since Fallout 4, and that was really just a pared down Fallout 3. CoD has been copy/paste for years now. Just some things to keep in mind. 

But I do agree that Gamefreak really should expand. For a game series that is reaching towards 1,000 different character models, they really do needs more than 140ish people. 

They actually haven't released anything at all since Fallout 4. Fallout 76 was developed by one of their branch studios. The main studio in Bethesda Maryland has been working on Starfield since Fallout 4 released, which is due to release on next-gen consoles, likely as a launch title next Holiday. 



mZuzek said:
Super_Boom said:
Not trying to take away from this...but didn't Sun and Moon also technically only have a Regional Pokedex? I might be off base here, obviously it lets you bring any Pokemon into the game, but I remember thinking my Pokedex wasn't updating for some reason when I brought a Charizard into my file, and someone at the time told me that the National Dex was in Pokebank now. If that was true, maybe the idea is that cross-game collection is limited to Bank (or whatever the new version of Bank is), and collecting in the games themselves is now limited to the Regional dexes.

If that's true...still annoying for people that like to bring their teams across games, but I can understand the idea a little more.

Yeah, pretty sure Sun/Moon didn't have the National Pokédex either and it already sucked back then, but at least you could still bring the Pokémon over.

Of course, it only makes sense. This franchise has consistently gotten worse with each new entry after X/Y, so after Sun/Moon was missing the National Pokédex, the next logical step was to remove non-regional Pokémon altogether. I suppose the next generation won't have Pokémon at all, the way this is going.

Let's Go already tried to take away wild battles.

Gladly it looks like it didn't stuck, let's hope for a better 9th gen. Or at least 4th gen remakes.



I prefer a limited roster, so this doesn't bother me...



MasonADC said:
vivster said:

It's nothing more but grunt work that can be done by literally anyone. You hire additional 3D model artists and animators to do the job. It's in no way "impossible" except if you don't want to put in the effort.

Also, remember this quote from a certain fellow?

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."

I said that delaying the games would be impossible, not that putting every pokemon in their would be impossible. Also, what does that quote have to do with anything? Not having every Pokemon in the game isn't a deal breaker nor would it make the games bad

Looking at the current fan reaction, not having every Pokemon seems to be a pretty big deal.

Also, how is a delay impossible? Is Nintendo forced by a higher power they can't possibly defend against? They did delay Animal Crossing. What mystical force did they use to accomplish that?



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vivster said:
MasonADC said:

I said that delaying the games would be impossible, not that putting every pokemon in their would be impossible. Also, what does that quote have to do with anything? Not having every Pokemon in the game isn't a deal breaker nor would it make the games bad

Looking at the current fan reaction, not having every Pokemon seems to be a pretty big deal.

Also, how is a delay impossible? Is Nintendo forced by a higher power they can't possibly defend against? They did delay Animal Crossing. What mystical force did they use to accomplish that?

I'm guessing they can't delay Sw/Sh because there's too many multimedia projects, promotions, partnerships and other deals attached to it while Animal Crossing is just a great selling franchise without much else tethered to it.



wombat123 said:
vivster said:

Looking at the current fan reaction, not having every Pokemon seems to be a pretty big deal.

Also, how is a delay impossible? Is Nintendo forced by a higher power they can't possibly defend against? They did delay Animal Crossing. What mystical force did they use to accomplish that?

I'm guessing they can't delay Sw/Sh because there's too many multimedia projects, promotions, partnerships and other deals attached to it while Animal Crossing is just a great selling franchise without much else tethered to it.

Also because Animal Crossing is made by a company that actually gives one or two fucks about quality.



I propose that all people who have an issue with the limited amount of Pokémon in Sword and Shield refrain from buying either version; and no, no workaround for this boycott by buying both versions. GF needs to get the message, even if it's only 10,000 less players. And let's be honest, there aren't even 10,000 people who are bothered by this.

For some reason I have flashbacks of last year when many of the same people complained to no end about Let's Go and then bought it anyway.



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RolStoppable said:
I propose that all people who have an issue with the limited amount of Pokémon in Sword and Shield refrain from buying either version; and no, no workaround for this boycott by buying both versions. GF needs to get the message, even if it's only 10,000 less players. And let's be honest, there aren't even 10,000 people who are bothered by this.

For some reason I have flashbacks of last year when many of the same people complained to no end about Let's Go and then bought it anyway.

Oh I bet most people will buy it anyway, but you're very dismissive of the amount of people that actually care, because it's Nintendo.  

Maybe you should have a read before you decide all these people are fake haters: https://twitter.com/hashtag/bringbacknationaldex?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash



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Barkley said:
RolStoppable said:
I propose that all people who have an issue with the limited amount of Pokémon in Sword and Shield refrain from buying either version; and no, no workaround for this boycott by buying both versions. GF needs to get the message, even if it's only 10,000 less players. And let's be honest, there aren't even 10,000 people who are bothered by this.

For some reason I have flashbacks of last year when many of the same people complained to no end about Let's Go and then bought it anyway.

Oh I bet most people will buy it anyway, but you're very dismissive of the amount of people that actually care, because it's Nintendo. 

Maybe you should have a read before you decide all these people are fake haters: https://twitter.com/hashtag/bringbacknationaldex?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash

Because it's Nintendo? Well yes, that's probably why. Lots of outrage over small things where Nintendo haters jump on the bandwagon and do their best to make something look like a big deal, see the countless times regarding supposed censorship.

So a Twitter hashtag got 23k tweets in a couple of days, but there are people who actually use social media for arguments, so if you read through the tweets, you'll also find tweets of people who defend GameFreak. The character limit on Twitter also forces people to submit multiple tweets for messages that are overall still short. All of it boosted by today's outrage culture that laps onto everything that is trending and a week later they'll move on to the next topic.

EDIT: Stumbled across this link on Twitter:

https://pokefans.net/news/schwert-schild-famitsu-interview/7799

It's a German site, but apparently Masuda said in a Famitsu interview that there has been no definitive decision against updates to allow missing Pokémon in eventually. This thread should be updated then.

Last edited by RolStoppable - on 14 June 2019

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