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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 18 May 2019

COKTOE on 06 June 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:
KLXVER said:
Did the all digital console make the Xbox consoles sell even less or what?lol

It's at the same price as the one with a disc drive, so really not worth it. I doubt that it will sell more than a handful units until a pricecut.

I'm going to address this SAD situation one more time before moving on: Terrible execution. A lower price should have been THE hook for that particular SKU and it's not difficult at all to find the undeniably superior XBO-S for less than the SAD. The 3 digital pack-in games are all on Game Pass....outstanding. And that name. That name and the acronym that accompanies it. Did nobody at Xbox catch this? SAD has become the defacto way of referring to it. Not just on gaming forums, but by youtube content creators, and even the gaming press.



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Skeeuk on 06 June 2019
KLXVER said:
Did the all digital console make the Xbox consoles sell even less or what?lol

i think xbox one is gone now which is a shame as the 360 was excellent



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COKTOE on 06 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
COKTOE said:

I'm going to address this SAD situation one more time before moving on: Terrible execution. A lower price should have been THE hook for that particular SKU and it's not difficult at all to find the undeniably superior XBO-S for less than the SAD. The 3 digital pack-in games are all on Game Pass....outstanding. And that name. That name and the acronym that accompanies it. Did nobody at Xbox catch this? SAD has become the defacto way of referring to it. Not just on gaming forums, but by youtube content creators, and even the gaming press.

It exactly happened how it was explained: Removing the disc drive won't reduce the retail price because any retailer with a brain will demand a hefty profit margin to put it on shelves, because no customer will buy physical games for such an SKU.

It's an idea that cannot be executed well. If Microsoft gifted the SKU to retailers, it would be available for a lower price than other SKUs, but that in turn makes it a financial nightmare for Microsoft. It's an idea where always at least one of the involved parties (console manufacturer, retailer, customer) gets screwed over, unlike the regular way of selling a console where it's possible for all parties to be winners.

Mmm. Yes. I did completely forget about the retailer variable. What you say makes sense, but is there verifiable information to support it? If XBO hardware sales were increased from this SKU at a lower price point, and the retailer was profiting from each unit sold as it does, presumably, from every XBO SKU, would this not be a positive? Broker a deal. Shift orders slightly from software to hardware.

Assuming you're bang on correct, it's even worse than I realized.....So, such a concept, one that cannot inherently be executed well, went ahead for what reason(s) in your opinion? It's my day off and I'm exhausted. Be nice Rol.



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Shiken on 06 June 2019

Sales dropping for everyone heading into E3. This could be a number of things really. People waiting to see if new hardware is going to be revealed, or even what new software is on the horizon. In any case, I expect Switch sales to pop back up above 200k after E3 at least, as it appears we will being seeing their exclusives drop steadily for the rest of the year.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 06 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
COKTOE said:

I'm going to address this SAD situation one more time before moving on: Terrible execution. A lower price should have been THE hook for that particular SKU and it's not difficult at all to find the undeniably superior XBO-S for less than the SAD. The 3 digital pack-in games are all on Game Pass....outstanding. And that name. That name and the acronym that accompanies it. Did nobody at Xbox catch this? SAD has become the defacto way of referring to it. Not just on gaming forums, but by youtube content creators, and even the gaming press.

It exactly happened how it was explained: Removing the disc drive won't reduce the retail price because any retailer with a brain will demand a hefty profit margin to put it on shelves, because no customer will buy physical games for such an SKU.

It's an idea that cannot be executed well. If Microsoft gifted the SKU to retailers, it would be available for a lower price than other SKUs, but that in turn makes it a financial nightmare for Microsoft. It's an idea where always at least one of the involved parties (console manufacturer, retailer, customer) gets screwed over, unlike the regular way of selling a console where it's possible for all parties to be winners.

If an all digital console is supposed to take off, they'll have to do it like with smartphones: selling them for 1$/€ to retailers and earning through the digital sales.

At the same time, they will have to set the retail price somewhere north of $99 so the retailers will at least win enough from that sale that they could be persuaded to stock the item.



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0D0 on 17 June 2019
Jumpin said:
Ganoncrotch said:
Wonder if some people are waiting on things like the Switch revision possibly being revealed at E3 before jumping in now to buy one... but I dunno is your average Switch buyer that clued into upcoming gaming news with stuff like that to put them off buying a system... they might be just outside playing sports in the sun because it's summer time I guess!

X1 pretty much dead in the water now in the EU, being outsold 5:1 and 7:1 by the Switch and PS4 respectively, then again I'll always say it, the Wii-U was doing numbers way worse than this and now Nintendo have the number 1 system so it's very possible with a good system and good marketing to get back into gamers good graces quite easily, people won't hold a "grudge" if they create a machine that gamers want.

I doubt the average consumer cares about E3, it wouldn’t shock me if most do not even know what E3 is.

Although you are right about generation over generation could be a whole new ballgame. Which is why I think Nintendo should get out of that and go with a shorter incremental gen approach rather than a “start from scratch” approach... which has led them to declines in sales on all but 5 of their hardware releases (NES, GB, DS, Wii, and Switch). 

Why do you think so?

PS sends newsletters about E3 as well as open discount season during E3 and market it on PS store, internet ads, and other places. Do you it doesn't hit the average consumer?



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