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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Google Stadia conference with pricing, games, and release details set for June 6th at Noon EST/ 9 AM PST

Nautilus on 06 June 2019
0D0 said:
How much the games are going to cost? If they want to be the netflix of gaming, they'll come for free right?
So besides the game the user will have to pay for the streaming to play the game in 4k?

While they havent gone out and said this, I think this will be like a storefront: You have to buy all games, but you will only be able to stream it.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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jason1637 on 06 June 2019
The Fury said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Yeesh. This is going to hit consoles hard next year. It basically makes it so you don't need any hardware to play the games you buy.

It's like PS Now doesn't exist.

Sony still needs to build up their PS Now service. You can't buy games on PS Now so you can only play a select few games on there.



0D0 on 06 June 2019
Mar1217 said:
So it's gonna end up as the poor man's machine who actually dreamed of a powerful PC ? Price is actually reasonably good until you come to the realization that new releases will have commercials for your to be enable to play them or you still have to pay for the new games.

Just think of Netflix but you still have to pay the movies you want to watch + the monthly subscription.

Overall, this is just as a thought which means that I don't much success going for it.

If they release new mult-plat games without the $60 tag, that would just break the way games are marketed.

They may have some free monthly games or games that will be for free as they add them to the subscription.

If a new sort of price system will come out from this, it'll be also available on ps5 and the next box as they'll also have streaming.

Ads would be a bummer.

Shadow1980 said:
I really, really hope this fails. Not because I have any particular ill will towards Google, mind you, but because the entire prospect of streaming games offends me at a gut level. I simply do not like that even single-player games are dependent on a constant internet connection. Your internet goes out? Can't play anything. The service's servers go down for any reason? Can't play anything. The entire concept of "offline play" completely ceases to exist in a streaming service. For physical and downloaded copies, offline play is still very possible for single-player experiences, and your progress in a level or mission won't suddenly come to a screeching halt because of a disruption to your internet connection or what have you.

Also, if a game is removed from a streaming service, it's gone, perhaps for good if it was removed over some rights issue. At least with digital downloads, if you have a title downloaded before it's delisted it stays on your hard drive. And with physical, a title that has gone out of print is still available for purchase through the second-hand market, which makes it even better when it comes to long-term availability of titles. Think of all the titles that have been pulled from digital storefronts over the years. Now, imagine those games being gone forever because streaming was the only way to play them.

Of all the possible ways of distributing games, streaming has the most weaknesses and fewest strengths by far. I hope it does not succeed in the long run, because I don't want even the slightest possibility of it being the only way to play games in the future.

The only reason I have for not hope this fails is the fact that more competition is great. It may make PS and Xbox even better in the long term.

About the streaming only thing. This is the weakness of Stadia in comparison to the consoles, but I guess for many it wouldn't be much of a problem.

A real console with physical, digital and streaming is the best thing for me in my opinion. I'm doing that on PS4. I've got physical games, digital games and I stream ps3 gems. I'm happy with that. A streaming only world would be weird, but if it's the future, I guess there's no escape. Although, I guess we'll always have the three possibilities somehow. It's 2019 and we still have films in blu-ray to buy and collect.

I also think that Stadia could add digital download down the road. Not available for all devices, but with that, Stadia would be almost like a console.



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The Fury on 06 June 2019
jason1637 said:
The Fury said:

It's like PS Now doesn't exist.

Sony still needs to build up their PS Now service. You can't buy games on PS Now so you can only play a select few games on there.

650 games. But sure, "select few". They wound't do a buy thing as it would directly compete with the PSN, if they did a joint service, so you buy it to download on console and can play it on PSNow, that's where they need to go with it.



Hmm, pie.

jason1637 on 06 June 2019
0D0 said:
Mar1217 said:
So it's gonna end up as the poor man's machine who actually dreamed of a powerful PC ? Price is actually reasonably good until you come to the realization that new releases will have commercials for your to be enable to play them or you still have to pay for the new games.

Just think of Netflix but you still have to pay the movies you want to watch + the monthly subscription.

Overall, this is just as a thought which means that I don't much success going for it.

If they release new mult-plat games without the $60 tag, that would just break the way games are marketed.

They may have some free monthly games or games that will be for free as they add them to the subscription.

If a new sort of price system will come out from this, it'll be also available on ps5 and the next box as they'll also have streaming.

Ads would be a bummer.

@Bold. They already announced that they will add "free games" to the $10 sub. The first game is Destiny 2.



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jason1637 on 06 June 2019
The Fury said:
jason1637 said:

Sony still needs to build up their PS Now service. You can't buy games on PS Now so you can only play a select few games on there.

650 games. But sure, "select few". They wound't do a buy thing as it would directly compete with the PSN, if they did a joint service, so you guy it to download on console and can play it on PSNow, that's where they need to go with it.

But most of those are older games. How many games does PS Now have that released this year? If Sony changed PS Now to a srvice where you can buy new games while having the 650 games then that would be a killer service.



The Fury on 06 June 2019
jason1637 said:
The Fury said:

650 games. But sure, "select few". They wound't do a buy thing as it would directly compete with the PSN, if they did a joint service, so you guy it to download on console and can play it on PSNow, that's where they need to go with it.

But most of those are older games. How many games does PS Now have that released this year? If Sony changed PS Now to a srvice where you can buy new games while having the 650 games then that would be a killer service.

And how many older games can Stadia play, do you not like the older games? Sure PS Now could improve but if Sony felt releasing new games on it while stuff like PC support wasn't available (which it is now) would hurt their console sales they'd limit releases on it, especially as it is a streaming subscription only. The Netflix of gaming, you don't own anything on Netflix, you just sub.



Hmm, pie.

jason1637 on 06 June 2019
The Fury said:
jason1637 said:

But most of those are older games. How many games does PS Now have that released this year? If Sony changed PS Now to a srvice where you can buy new games while having the 650 games then that would be a killer service.

And how many older games can Stadia play, do you not like the older games? Sure PS Now could improve but if Sony felt releasing new games on it while stuff like PC support wasn't available (which it is now) would hurt their console sales they'd limit releases on it, especially as it is a streaming subscription only. The Netflix of gaming, you don't own anything on Netflix, you just sub.

I have nothing against older times. I own or have played most older games i'm interested in so a service that does not deliver on newer games does not interest me.



CuCabeludo on 06 June 2019
Shadow1980 said:
I really, really hope this fails. Not because I have any particular ill will towards Google, mind you, but because the entire prospect of streaming games offends me at a gut level. I simply do not like that even single-player games are dependent on a constant internet connection. Your internet goes out? Can't play anything. The service's servers go down for any reason? Can't play anything. The entire concept of "offline play" completely ceases to exist in a streaming service. For physical and downloaded copies, offline play is still very possible for single-player experiences, and your progress in a level or mission won't suddenly come to a screeching halt because of a disruption to your internet connection or what have you.

Also, if a game is removed from a streaming service, it's gone, perhaps for good if it was removed over some rights issue. At least with digital downloads, if you have a title downloaded before it's delisted it stays on your hard drive. And with physical, a title that has gone out of print is still available for purchase through the second-hand market, which makes it even better when it comes to long-term availability of titles. Think of all the titles that have been pulled from digital storefronts over the years. Now, imagine those games being gone forever because streaming was the only way to play them.

Of all the possible ways of distributing games, streaming has the most weaknesses and fewest strengths by far. I hope it does not succeed in the long run, because I don't want even the slightest possibility of it being the only way to play games in the future.

1 - It won't fail, if Sony, with a much lower datacenter infrastructure capability compared to Google's, managed to get 700 thousand subscribers for their PSNow streaming service, Google has potential to go beyond that.

2 - If electricity goes out, you can't play your local games either. This fear of having a temporary internet shut down is as baseless as fearing a temporary blackout.



Nautilus on 06 June 2019
CuCabeludo said:
Shadow1980 said:
I really, really hope this fails. Not because I have any particular ill will towards Google, mind you, but because the entire prospect of streaming games offends me at a gut level. I simply do not like that even single-player games are dependent on a constant internet connection. Your internet goes out? Can't play anything. The service's servers go down for any reason? Can't play anything. The entire concept of "offline play" completely ceases to exist in a streaming service. For physical and downloaded copies, offline play is still very possible for single-player experiences, and your progress in a level or mission won't suddenly come to a screeching halt because of a disruption to your internet connection or what have you.

Also, if a game is removed from a streaming service, it's gone, perhaps for good if it was removed over some rights issue. At least with digital downloads, if you have a title downloaded before it's delisted it stays on your hard drive. And with physical, a title that has gone out of print is still available for purchase through the second-hand market, which makes it even better when it comes to long-term availability of titles. Think of all the titles that have been pulled from digital storefronts over the years. Now, imagine those games being gone forever because streaming was the only way to play them.

Of all the possible ways of distributing games, streaming has the most weaknesses and fewest strengths by far. I hope it does not succeed in the long run, because I don't want even the slightest possibility of it being the only way to play games in the future.

1 - It won't fail, if Sony, with a much lower datacenter infrastructure capability compared to Google's, managed to get 700 thousand subscribers for their PSNow streaming service, Google has potential to go beyond that.

2 - If electricity goes out, you can't play your local games either. This fear of having a temporary internet shut down is as baseless as fearing a temporary blackout.

What are you smoking?Its not the internet going down, its the servers being shut down, or google simply deciding its not in their interest anymore to keep that game running on their servers because that, you know, has a cost.Or do you think they will keep their catalogue of games intact without taking a single game out for 10+ years, assuming this is successful?

Not only that, but its rather common for the internet to be out of service for a few hours every now and then.What happens then?You wouldnt play.Its not an advantage or something "Oh, thats normal", when everyone else dosent have that problem because they dont stream your games.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1