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Lafiel said:
Barkley said:

4k Stadia will probably be a problem for anyone with a data cap. Depends how much you play.

4k - 15.75gb per hour   (35mbit)
1080p - 9gb per hour    (20mbit)
720p- 4.5gb per hour    (10mbit)

So 4k would use 1TB of data with 65 hours, 1080p with 113 hours and 720p with 226 hours.

So if you played 2 hours a day, 4k would eat almost all the 1TB cap, 1080p would eat half of it so you could probably get away with that depending how much of your cap you normally use for other things. If someone plays more than 45 hours in a month 4k probably isn't viable if you have a 1TB data cap.

In practice the stream will use a bit less data than that, as the video feed you receive won't always use the max bitrate. Due to the way compression works the max bitrate will only be needed in very fast cuts with lots of moving/changing content and full color info (pure black/white needs less of that).

Yes this is true, I've used Shadow which is a cloud gaming service which has an overlay that can show current bitrate usage. I used to run at 40mbit, but when the screen is completely still it would drop as low as 0.3mbit. So this really is the theoretical maximum and and in practice will always be lower, could be anywhere from 50-80% of that number depending on what you're playing and how you're playing.



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fatslob-:O said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Alright after seeing their pitiful launch lineup of 30ish games, I just have to say that I feel stupid for assuming that they would have every AAA third party game on the planet at launch. If they don't quickly increase their library by a factor of 30 this will be DOA. It's basically Steam/GoG, except you need a solid internet connection to make use of it.

Also, WTF is Chromecast? Will this be needed to use the service after the base 1080 version launches?

They (Google) have to port every game engine out there to use the Vulkan API since DirectX is a no go on Linux ... (using WINE is a bad idea for performance since it just increases their operating costs of having to go through another software layer)

If you want gaming to improve on Linux or become more cross-platform then Stadia should be rooted as a positive development so that game publishers can show a path for game developers all around the world where they wouldn't have to be under the tyranny of Microsoft anymore or any other closed source system vendors ... (Sony/Nintendo) 

Yeah I almost mentioned the possibilities of this making PC Linux more mainstream. But then I remembered that PS4 runs on a custom version of Linux or Unix or whatever, and that hasn't helped Linux much. So I didn't say anything. If this made it so you didn't need windows to run 90% of PC games effectively, then that would be awesome. MS is way too greedy with their stupid policy stating that your copy of Windows is only good for a single build of your PC. What's that? You changed your RAM? Lol your Window's license has expired because according to MS you now have a "new" PC! Have fun paying an extra $35 to $100 for another copy of Windows! Also have fun if you pay $35 on a shady aftermarket seller, because MS may randomly decide that versions sold on there aren't valid! 

Honestly, I can see MS making Windows a subscription service OS in the near future. You gotta pay $5 to $10 a month for Windows. Like how Adobe and Autodesk currently screw their customers. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
fatslob-:O said:

They (Google) have to port every game engine out there to use the Vulkan API since DirectX is a no go on Linux ... (using WINE is a bad idea for performance since it just increases their operating costs of having to go through another software layer)

If you want gaming to improve on Linux or become more cross-platform then Stadia should be rooted as a positive development so that game publishers can show a path for game developers all around the world where they wouldn't have to be under the tyranny of Microsoft anymore or any other closed source system vendors ... (Sony/Nintendo) 

MS is way too greedy with their stupid policy stating that your copy of Windows is only good for a single build of your PC. What's that? You changed your RAM? Lol your Window's license has expired because according to MS you now have a "new" PC! Have fun paying an extra $35 to $100 for another copy of Windows! Also have fun if you pay $35 on a shady aftermarket seller, because MS may randomly decide that versions sold on there aren't valid! 

AFAIK you can tie your copy of windows to your microsoft account now. But even before changing RAM shouldn't invalidate your OS lol, I've done more than that with no problems, it should be the motherboard it was tied to.

I've bought two Windows 10 Pro keys for about $6 each online on "shady marketplaces" and never had any issues.



man they didn't deliver

PS5 and Xbox Next will live on



Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah I almost mentioned the possibilities of this making PC Linux more mainstream. But then I remembered that PS4 runs on a custom version of Linux or Unix or whatever, and that hasn't helped Linux much. So I didn't say anything. If this made it so you didn't need windows to run 90% of PC games effectively, then that would be awesome. MS is way too greedy with their stupid policy stating that your copy of Windows is only good for a single build of your PC. What's that? You changed your RAM? Lol your Window's license has expired because according to MS you now have a "new" PC! Have fun paying an extra $35 to $100 for another copy of Windows! Also have fun if you pay $35 on a shady aftermarket seller, because MS may randomly decide that versions sold on there aren't valid! 

Honestly, I can see MS making Windows a subscription service OS in the near future. You gotta pay $5 to $10 a month for Windows. Like how Adobe and Autodesk currently screw their customers. 

Unlike those behind the PS4, at least the people behind Stadia don't force developers to use another proprietary gfx API like GNM on PS4 ... 

We may not agree with Google Stadia's business model but we should embrace the politics behind it because the platform is powered with open source technology which makes it far more likely for game developers in the future to release their games on Linux ... 

If we want to effectively combat Microsoft's interests then we need to rally behind Stadia since it has the most potential to open up gaming on Linux ... (getting developers to have a Vulkan backend is half way through the work for a potential Linux version) 

IMO Stadia depending if Google has the longevity to invest in it is the best way to destroy Microsoft's monopolistic grip on PC gaming ... 

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fatslob-:O said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Alright after seeing their pitiful launch lineup of 30ish games, I just have to say that I feel stupid for assuming that they would have every AAA third party game on the planet at launch. If they don't quickly increase their library by a factor of 30 this will be DOA. It's basically Steam/GoG, except you need a solid internet connection to make use of it.

Also, WTF is Chromecast? Will this be needed to use the service after the base 1080 version launches?

They (Google) have to port every game engine out there to use the Vulkan API since DirectX is a no go on Linux ... (using WINE is a bad idea for performance since it just increases their operating costs of having to go through another software layer)

If you want gaming to improve on Linux or become more cross-platform then Stadia should be rooted as a positive development so that game publishers can show a path for game developers all around the world where they wouldn't have to be under the tyranny of Microsoft anymore or any other closed source system vendors ... (Sony/Nintendo) 

Please explain how putting it into another closed platform (stadia) under the tyranny of google will solve it?

Barkley said:
DonFerrari said:

Not sure how much data 4k Stadia will eat up, but 1Tb seems acceptable (I'm theoretically uncapped, but most of the time my connection doesn't deliver the promissed speed). In brazil our law allow they do deliver 10% of the contract for long periods without any issue.

4k Stadia will probably be a problem for anyone with a data cap. Depends how much you play.

4k - 15.75gb per hour   (35mbit)
1080p - 9gb per hour    (20mbit)
720p- 4.5gb per hour    (10mbit)

So 4k would use 1TB of data with 65 hours, 1080p with 113 hours and 720p with 226 hours.

So if you played 2 hours a day, 4k would eat almost all the 1TB cap, 1080p would eat half of it so you could probably get away with that depending how much of your cap you normally use for other things. If someone plays more than 45 hours in a month 4k probably isn't viable if you have a 1TB data cap.

Well I don't think people that will get Stadia are the type of player that would average 60h/month of gameplay. Someone that play over 2h a day at 4k would probably be more interested in consoles.

fatslob-:O said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah I almost mentioned the possibilities of this making PC Linux more mainstream. But then I remembered that PS4 runs on a custom version of Linux or Unix or whatever, and that hasn't helped Linux much. So I didn't say anything. If this made it so you didn't need windows to run 90% of PC games effectively, then that would be awesome. MS is way too greedy with their stupid policy stating that your copy of Windows is only good for a single build of your PC. What's that? You changed your RAM? Lol your Window's license has expired because according to MS you now have a "new" PC! Have fun paying an extra $35 to $100 for another copy of Windows! Also have fun if you pay $35 on a shady aftermarket seller, because MS may randomly decide that versions sold on there aren't valid! 

Honestly, I can see MS making Windows a subscription service OS in the near future. You gotta pay $5 to $10 a month for Windows. Like how Adobe and Autodesk currently screw their customers. 

Unlike those behind the PS4, at least the people behind Stadia don't force developers to use another proprietary gfx API like GNM on PS4 ... 

We may not agree with Google Stadia's business model but we should embrace the politics behind it because the platform is powered with open source technology which makes it far more likely for game developers in the future to release their games on Linux ... 

If we want to effectively combat Microsoft's interests then we need to rally behind Stadia since it has the most potential to open up gaming on Linux ... (getting developers to have a Vulkan backend is half way through the work for a potential Linux version) 

IMO Stadia depending if Google has the longevity to invest in it is the best way to destroy Microsoft's monopolistic grip on PC gaming ... 

As far as I know devs can make their game very close to the metal and not some type of tyrant language that devs need to sell their soul.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Please explain how putting it into another closed platform (stadia) under the tyranny of google will solve it?

Stadia maybe a closed platform but it's tools are not and that's the biggest difference since any big game publisher can use those tools to create their own cloud gaming platforms or they can decide to release their games on Linux ... 

DonFerrari said:

As far as I know devs can make their game very close to the metal and not some type of tyrant language that devs need to sell their soul.

With console vendors, you have no choice but to use a proprietary graphics API so developers are forced to waste time to entertain the politics of every vendor despite the fact that they use nearly the same consumer grade hardware as seen in PCs or mobile phones ... 

Google and Valve are the only ones picking up the pieces so far but hopefully others such as Tencent can contribute to making Linux a viable alternative for gaming instead of solely just having all these closed platforms like consoles or Windows hanging around ... 



Phil Harrison sat down with Geoff Keighley and confirmed a few more things about Stadia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIs_rAml9Yg

-Online Multiplayer on Stadia will not be locked behind a Paywall. Online Multiplayer on Stadia is FREE.
-Free 2 Play titles will be available on Stadia.
-Subscription Services from 3rd party publishers will be supported by Stadia.
-Stadia Hardware will have regular upgrades, but no timeline is being talked about right now.
-Starting in 2020, players will be able to play Stadia Completely free of charge, using any device, and any controller they choose. Free 2 Play will be free, and gamers can subscribe to the services of their choice, or buy the specific titles they want.

I feel like this is the same situation as when the iPhone launched, and I told gamers, we need PSP and DS Phones, or Handhelds will die. I was laughed off out of the gaming community. Then Vita launched with 3G and Phone services, and I told gamers, you need to support this or Handhelds will disappear. I was told, "I already have a phone", "It is too expensive", "Handhelds are for Gaming", People will never give up Handhelds for touch only gaming". Well, here we are in 2019 and handhelds are gone.

So, I am telling you today, this is a serious threat to Consoles, and if core gamers want to continue to own Physical hardware, and Physical Software, then you need to take this seriously. Right now I am hearing the same types of things, "This is a complete joke", "People will never buy into a Game Streaming Platfrom", "No one will play games via streaming, the internet can not deliver a good enough experience", "Consoles are for Gaming, if I want to watch TV I have an SmartTV/Set Top Box, and if I want to browse the web or use apps I have a PC, Laptop, Tablet, or Smartphone".

Core gamers refused to allow Handhelds and Consoles to expand. They pushed back every time Sony and Microsoft tried to make the platforms more appealing to the wider audience. Gamers sabotaged Gaming 1st Devices, and now it may be too late to save them, gamers may be paying the final price for their actions.

I'm telling everyone here right now. If you want Consoles to survive, do not support Smart TV, do not support Set Top boxes, Do not buy these types of devices for friends or family, do not suggest these devices to anyone. Use your console for everything you do, show how consoles deliver a better experience than those devices, be happy to open up console to more people. Support the services on your consoles.

If console gamers don't support consoles, then this kind of gaming will die, and Streaming or PC will be your only option.

I am personally ready for whatever the future brings. I will game wherever gaming takes. I am just giving a history lesson, and a glimps of where the future could lead if the same path is followed again. Be inclusive, not exclusive.



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fatslob-:O said:
DonFerrari said:

Please explain how putting it into another closed platform (stadia) under the tyranny of google will solve it?

Stadia maybe a closed platform but it's tools are not and that's the biggest difference since any big game publisher can use those tools to create their own cloud gaming platforms or they can decide to release their games on Linux ... 

DonFerrari said:

As far as I know devs can make their game very close to the metal and not some type of tyrant language that devs need to sell their soul.

With console vendors, you have no choice but to use a proprietary graphics API so developers are forced to waste time to entertain the politics of every vendor despite the fact that they use nearly the same consumer grade hardware as seen in PCs or mobile phones ... 

Google and Valve are the only ones picking up the pieces so far but hopefully others such as Tencent can contribute to making Linux a viable alternative for gaming instead of solely just having all these closed platforms like consoles or Windows hanging around ... 

Good luck in people going linux



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KBG29 said:
Phil Harrison sat down with Geoff Keighley and confirmed a few more things about Stadia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIs_rAml9Yg

-Online Multiplayer on Stadia will not be locked behind a Paywall. Online Multiplayer on Stadia is FREE.
-Free 2 Play titles will be available on Stadia.
-Subscription Services from 3rd party publishers will be supported by Stadia.
-Stadia Hardware will have regular upgrades, but no timeline is being talked about right now.
-Starting in 2020, players will be able to play Stadia Completely free of charge, using any device, and any controller they choose. Free 2 Play will be free, and gamers can subscribe to the services of their choice, or buy the specific titles they want.

I feel like this is the same situation as when the iPhone launched, and I told gamers, we need PSP and DS Phones, or Handhelds will die. I was laughed off out of the gaming community. Then Vita launched with 3G and Phone services, and I told gamers, you need to support this or Handhelds will disappear. I was told, "I already have a phone", "It is too expensive", "Handhelds are for Gaming", People will never give up Handhelds for touch only gaming". Well, here we are in 2019 and handhelds are gone.

So, I am telling you today, this is a serious threat to Consoles, and if core gamers want to continue to own Physical hardware, and Physical Software, then you need to take this seriously. Right now I am hearing the same types of things, "This is a complete joke", "People will never buy into a Game Streaming Platfrom", "No one will play games via streaming, the internet can not deliver a good enough experience", "Consoles are for Gaming, if I want to watch TV I have an SmartTV/Set Top Box, and if I want to browse the web or use apps I have a PC, Laptop, Tablet, or Smartphone".

Core gamers refused to allow Handhelds and Consoles to expand. They pushed back every time Sony and Microsoft tried to make the platforms more appealing to the wider audience. Gamers sabotaged Gaming 1st Devices, and now it may be too late to save them, gamers may be paying the final price for their actions.

I'm telling everyone here right now. If you want Consoles to survive, do not support Smart TV, do not support Set Top boxes, Do not buy these types of devices for friends or family, do not suggest these devices to anyone. Use your console for everything you do, show how consoles deliver a better experience than those devices, be happy to open up console to more people. Support the services on your consoles.

If console gamers don't support consoles, then this kind of gaming will die, and Streaming or PC will be your only option.

I am personally ready for whatever the future brings. I will game wherever gaming takes. I am just giving a history lesson, and a glimps of where the future could lead if the same path is followed again. Be inclusive, not exclusive.

Then consider consoles as effectively dead then ... 

There's absolutely no way for consoles to be able to compete with smart devices or set top boxes in terms of both functionality and cost because for a lot of consumers out there, the dedicated silicon for gaming performance is just a waste of money to them ... 

There are simply going to be people that don't want to invest in ownership of high-end hardware for gaming ... 

If consoles are dead then we just have to embrace it as a fact ... 

DonFerrari said:

Good luck in people going linux

Hopefully, the world will and after America altogether being so eager to start a trade war it should be in China's interest to stop supporting platforms (Google Services/Windows) that they have no stake in ... 

Getting all of China alone to support Linux would make it a self-sustaining platform for gaming when corporate giants like Tencent could realistically make the transition with official support from the state itself ...