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The Fury said:
Zoombael said:

Fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of the past. Get over it...

Tank controls? You're playing some weird FF games, my friend. 

I wasnt talking about FF specifically. 

And im not your friend, buddy.



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The Fury said:
Zoombael said:

Fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of the past. Get over it...

Tank controls? You're playing some weird FF games, my friend. 

Well FF6 has Magitek Armors which are basically humanoid tanks that you control, so there is some sort of tank controls there to operate them.



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thismeintiel said:
EricHiggin said:

This makes be believe the PS4 SS rumors even more so. There is little reason to mess with Pro as is for the next 3 years, if even continue selling it. I would think PS should be able to sell Pro at $299 as is and break even by now, but they likely need to get PS4 on 7nm and shrink it to get it down to $199 and have the hardware be somewhat profitable. So shrink PS4 this holiday and worry about a 7nm Pro later, if it's even necessary, since the $299-$399 market is already saturated, and especially if PS4 is just as compatible with the PS5 as Pro is. A super casual or poorer person simply won't care or be able to afford a Pro, since they couldn't afford PS4 before, so there would be little need to reduce the Pro price, if continue selling it period.

Unless they were to drop PS4 and shrink Pro to 7nm and offer a slim model for $249, which is possible but much less likely.

Worst case scenario, they could have future cross gen games set up so that if they play at 60fps to make sure that PS5 is able to use a worthy amount of it's potential, have Pro run at 1080p/60 and PS4 at 720p/60. This would also be a way to keep selling Pro at a reduced price, enticing existing PS4 owners to upgrade to Pro, if they didn't have the money for PS5, so they could at least remain playing at 1080p/60.

I see them shrinking both.  I figured they would want to do the Pro first, but considering the OG model is making up 75% of their sales, they may want to get the price down as low as possible to bolster the dropping sales.  My guess is a $249 price this year, but they will definitely drop to $199 for the PS5 launch.  And we may see a further drop to $149-$179 before it's discontinued in 2022/2023.  The Pro will probably drop to $349 without a revision, but my guess is they also want to get the price lower on it, so it will get one the following year. 

They could have a $199 PS4 system for budget gamers, a $299 Pro for those who want a little more power under the hood, and the premium $449-$499 PS5 for those who want next gen graphics.  All 3 will get cross-gen support for at least a year or two, so there really isn't a need for them to have a weaker next gen system to compete with the Lockhart.  And by the time the PS4 is discontinued, PS5 will see its first price cut, probably dropping to the $399 sweet spot.

It all depends on how strong Sony wants ps5 sales to be, I reckon. Your price strategy seems to me that it'd make ps5 first year sales to be quite slow.



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0D0 said:
thismeintiel said:

I see them shrinking both.  I figured they would want to do the Pro first, but considering the OG model is making up 75% of their sales, they may want to get the price down as low as possible to bolster the dropping sales.  My guess is a $249 price this year, but they will definitely drop to $199 for the PS5 launch.  And we may see a further drop to $149-$179 before it's discontinued in 2022/2023.  The Pro will probably drop to $349 without a revision, but my guess is they also want to get the price lower on it, so it will get one the following year. 

They could have a $199 PS4 system for budget gamers, a $299 Pro for those who want a little more power under the hood, and the premium $449-$499 PS5 for those who want next gen graphics.  All 3 will get cross-gen support for at least a year or two, so there really isn't a need for them to have a weaker next gen system to compete with the Lockhart.  And by the time the PS4 is discontinued, PS5 will see its first price cut, probably dropping to the $399 sweet spot.

It all depends on how strong Sony wants ps5 sales to be, I reckon. Your price strategy seems to me that it'd make ps5 first year sales to be quite slow.

Not really. There are people who bought PS4 in the first year or two. They are ready for next gen and wouldn't buy a PS4 over a PS5, regardless of how cheap the PS4 gets. These will make up the vast majority of PS5's early sales. The cheaper PS4 SKUs will be for budget gamers who wouldn't buy the PS5 til it also hits $199-$299, anyway.



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thismeintiel said:
0D0 said:

It all depends on how strong Sony wants ps5 sales to be, I reckon. Your price strategy seems to me that it'd make ps5 first year sales to be quite slow.

Not really. There are people who bought PS4 in the first year or two. They are ready for next gen and wouldn't buy a PS4 over a PS5, regardless of how cheap the PS4 gets. These will make up the vast majority of PS5's early sales. The cheaper PS4 SKUs will be for budget gamers who wouldn't buy the PS5 til it also hits $199-$299, anyway.

I see, but with 3 playstations out, wouldn't be possible that devs would release ps5 games also for ps4 and ps4 pro and as a result keep even some ps4 early adopters unconvinced that they should upgrade?



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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0D0 said:
thismeintiel said:

Not really. There are people who bought PS4 in the first year or two. They are ready for next gen and wouldn't buy a PS4 over a PS5, regardless of how cheap the PS4 gets. These will make up the vast majority of PS5's early sales. The cheaper PS4 SKUs will be for budget gamers who wouldn't buy the PS5 til it also hits $199-$299, anyway.

I see, but with 3 playstations out, wouldn't be possible that devs would release ps5 games also for ps4 and ps4 pro and as a result keep even some ps4 early adopters unconvinced that they should upgrade?

I would assume this would come into play for some PS4 owners, but the early adopter crowd is likely to buy the new hardware as long as it's a reasonable price. $499 probably being the limit in terms of making it as accessible for as many as possible. This crowd has got to be 5-10 million or more. If PS4 and Pro are going to continue to exist because they are still being catered to, mostly by third party, then PS doesn't need to worry about the transition time. As long as they aren't losing a worrisome amount of existing PS4 owners to Switch or Lockhart/Anaconda, then PS can just continue to profit off PS4. If the PS5 is $499, the longer the transition takes, the more time they have to get the price down. It will change from having to have a PS5 for certain games, to buying a PS5 because the price has finally reached a point that makes sense to jump on board, plus some first party exclusives built up by then.

The other way to look at it, is that if MS has XB1S, XB1SAD, 'XB2L', 'XB2A', for PS to fully transition to PS5 and leave PS4 behind for the most part would be a huge gamble, and would likely turn out poorly for them. If you're an early adopter, but not all that wealthy and not a fan of any brand, are you going to buy a $499 PS5/'XB2A', or a $349 'XB2L'? Once a brand transition is made, it's likely that gamer is staying in that ecosystem for the duration of the gen, if not longer. PS in some ways can't afford to fully transition to next gen quickly. 

PS5 may very well end up a little bit like the PS2 to PS3 transition. Probably not quite as slow, and not a mile behind XB, trying to catch up again.



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thismeintiel said:

Not really. There are people who bought PS4 in the first year or two. They are ready for next gen and wouldn't buy a PS4 over a PS5, regardless of how cheap the PS4 gets. These will make up the vast majority of PS5's early sales. The cheaper PS4 SKUs will be for budget gamers who wouldn't buy the PS5 til it also hits $199-$299, anyway.

I see, but with 3 playstations out, wouldn't be possible that devs would release ps5 games also for ps4 and ps4 pro and as a result keep even some ps4 early adopters unconvinced that they should upgrade?

No.  It's the same thing we have had happen for generations.  The old is cheap enough for budget gamers, while the new is for those who want more powerful HW, which will obviously be more expensive.  If the early adopters already have had the PS4 for 6-7 years when the PS5 launches, they don't need another PS4.  They are going to want the newer, more powerful HW, even if they mainly have the same library of cross-gen games for the first 1-2 years of the PS5's lifetime.



thismeintiel said:
0D0 said:

I see, but with 3 playstations out, wouldn't be possible that devs would release ps5 games also for ps4 and ps4 pro and as a result keep even some ps4 early adopters unconvinced that they should upgrade?

No.  It's the same thing we have had happen for generations.  The old is cheap enough for budget gamers, while the new is for those who want more powerful HW, which will obviously be more expensive.  If the early adopters already have had the PS4 for 6-7 years when the PS5 launches, they don't need another PS4.  They are going to want the newer, more powerful HW, even if they mainly have the same library of cross-gen games for the first 1-2 years of the PS5's lifetime.

This. First two years of the PS4/Xbox One gen had almost exclusively games being ported to current and last gen, with a few actual next gen only console games made by devs owned by either Sony or Microsoft respectively.

I remember the PS4 in particular having a dearth of quality first party games (Infamous and Killzone were so meh they ended any future plans for each series. Driveclub was either fantastic or terrible depending on who you spoke with. The Order 1886 was legendarily disappointing. Bloodborne was the only genuinely excellent first party game.) Granted, I highly doubt Sony will have the same issue this time around.



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