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Art shouldn't be free of politics or "neutral"

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It should be whatever the artist intends it to be, and as such it most definitely can be free of politics.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I agree with everything you said, with the exception of the last part. You nailed it earlier when you said that asking for games not to be political is really just a way to make games more comfortable by asking for political views to be tailored to yours, but then say it's because politics are boring. No, I actually think a lot of the people who say that politics need to be in games are very interested in politics themselves, they just can't handle differing opinions because they think it inherently means the gaming industry is talking down to them.

You're probably right. I guess I tried to fight the false argument that they use ("leave politics out of my games") instead of what they actually mean ("leave politics I don't like out of my games") in that last part.

Yeah, that's ok. Also, I wrote " No, I actually think a lot of the people who say that politics need to be in games are very interested in politics themselves", when I meant to say "who say that politics need to not* be in games". My bad. 



DonFerrari said:
Just look at folks like Anita Sarkeesian, that review from Kingdoms Come Deliverance, the one from Days Gone, etc. When the political view is different than what they believe they complain about it.

And that's completely valid. You totally have the right to disagree with whatever politics is being presented (as long as you're respectful and empathetic, obviously). The problem is when you say "games shouldn't be political" when you actually just want the game to be the way you want it to be.

Example: It's valid to say "I don't think Ellie dating a girl fits her character" if that's actually what you think. It's not valid to say "Naughty Dog should stop being so damn political" because you want Ellie to be straight to fit your personal beliefs.



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Jpcc86 said:
It should be whatever the artist intends it to be, and as such it most definitely can be free of politics.

Thing is, humans are inherently political beings. Whenever a human starts working on something, it's virtually impossible to free it from any political views.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
DonFerrari said:
Just look at folks like Anita Sarkeesian, that review from Kingdoms Come Deliverance, the one from Days Gone, etc. When the political view is different than what they believe they complain about it.

And that's completely valid. You totally have the right to disagree with whatever politics is being presented (as long as you're respectful and empathetic, obviously). The problem is when you say "games shouldn't be political" when you actually just want the game to be the way you want it to be.

Example: It's valid to say "I don't think Ellie dating a girl fits her character" if that's actually what you think. It's not valid to say "Naughty Dog should stop being so damn political" because you want Ellie to be straight to fit your personal beliefs.

Yes I understood your point.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
Jpcc86 said:
It should be whatever the artist intends it to be, and as such it most definitely can be free of politics.

Thing is, humans are inherently political beings. Whenever a human starts working on something, it's virtually impossible to free it from any political views.

Not to mention the fact that intentionally removing political messages from a piece of art is itself a political decision. Most of the time when people complain about political messages in any form of art or media is because the views being expressed run contrary to their opinions, and as such their opinions on the matter hold very little value in my eyes.



It all depends. I mean the politics in Game Of Thrones is great, but if a character put on a Make Westeros Great Again helmet, I would be put off by it...



This is as stupid as saying that a fart is political because the person who farts can choose where to fart, so if he/she farts in a library, means that he/she hates libraries and that they must be burned.

I dont get this foolish trend of a group of people that wants everything to have a secret agenda.Are Mario games political?Maybe because Mario jumps on goombas, so that surely means that the creators wanted to express their political hate over brown people?(goombas being brown and all)Or that Zelda games are political for god knows what reason?

Yes, some games take inspiration in politics, or heated topics at the moment, but why do they necessaraly have to have a agenda behind it?I mean, they can have, but most of the time, the creator used that setting because he likes the setting and theme and finds it fun.Honestly, if I was a game dev, I wouldnt give even one second of my day about complains of people thinking "Hey, you had that on the game!Thats offensive to that group of people!I hate you now!"

I guess thats the consequence of having a relatively peaceful world.People want to identify with something, have a cause for themselves, so they create problems that dont exist.Oh well.

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LuccaCardoso1 said:
CladInShadows said:
Art should be what it is. I don't want people to have to censor their political messages. At the same time, I also don't want artists to HAVE to make a political statement with their art.

It should just be what it is.

An artist making the art they want to make is already a political statement. Their responsibility is to be true to themselves and to what they believe.

Even in movements such as minimal art, where the artists tried to move away from meaning and symbolism, they're being political by negating any meaning. Negating political messages is a political statement, but it's only valid when the artist does that by their own will. When someone enforces to an artist that they can't have political messages, that's just censorship.

It's only political if it's intentionally political.  If an artist draws a picture of a paper clip because that's really all they wanted to do, it's not political.



You can put politics in a work of art, although it rarely makes them any better or worse. The last of us would not be all that different if Ellie was straight. Even the DLC could still work if she was not gay.

On the other hand when people care more about making a political statement than the art itself the final product usually suffers, because of that. Usually because things just feel out of place, because of it.

Also some of the best games of all time had no political message so, whilst games don't have to be free of politics they absolutely can be and they could still be great.



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