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EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

Well if you are masochist the purple enemies that one shot you are the way to go =p

The Valkyrie Queen on GmGoW is the perfect excuse for someone to hate himself to self-punish =p

Have yet to fight her. Based on how things have typically gone with the Val's on give me a challenge, I've been patiently moving through the rest of them to eventually get absolutely wrecked by their queen. lol

Hiku said:

I'm playing on "Give Me A Balanced Experience", and I encountered and beat my first Valkyrie last time I played.
She gave me a helmet.

These are the next two I have to fight. The gas realm I was not a fan of and was the first time I dropped the challenge mode to give me a story for a short period until I got some better gear. Then I put the challenge more back up. We'll see how this goes with the gas Val. If the other's weren't tough enough without the gas, I have a feeling this one is really gunna push the limits.

Intrinsic said:

Nope, you can't fight them again after beating them.... don't worry though, they get harder. And there are a couple of other optional bosses to fight, like the travelers and the elemental golems.

If you beat her on your first attempt, then I strongly recommend you using the difficulty, you a too good for the current difficulty setting you are at. That also probably explains why you aren't a fan of the ax. You need to play on give me a challenge at least.... that will force you to learn and use all the nuances of the combat system. And oh my will you come to love the Axe throw. Especially the precision ax throw,

Give me a challenge mode was definitely more fun for me. I died a lot on the first couple Val's before I realized I couldn't just hack and slash my way through them and had to be more strategic. Once I figured it out, it was really fun. I got so close a couple times before they took me out, but I wouldn't come equipped to revive because I didn't want to make it any easier. After the first couple Val's it only took a couple attempts for the one's following, but none were easy, as I never had all that much health when the fight was complete. The Val's definitely get more aggressive as the fight goes on and you have to be on your toes near the end of the encounter or they'll Valhalla you to death. lol

Hiku

Sounds like your having a better time. I didn't want to spoil anything for you, as I find that experiencing as you go tends to be more fun, aside from not completely understanding the mechanics and being held back by that lack of knowledge.

1. The blades are more fun but the axe is very useful, you just need to learn how to use it strategically. Going back and forth between them quickly makes combat way more efficient and you can just slaughter groups of enemies.

2. The two witches are tough. I saved them for later on in the game. There were two or three frost reavers near a dragon that I also left until later. Some of the purples are doable so I did them when I could as well. A really tough fight now and again keeps it interesting.

3. I had a good idea of where you were, and that you wouldn't be going to Jotenheim next, but I wasn't going to spoil that. You're somewhere around 50% give or take.

Yes, the gas realm is dreadfull. Everything you need to do to be able to fight the Val there is a lot. And she is one of the strongest.

And yes all Vals are "immune" to hack and slash. You really need to learn their attacks, animations and counters.



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The mist Val wasn't so bad actually, but the fire Val was a battle. Then the Queen destroyed me, again, and again, and again...

Tried the Queen at low level 8. Played on challenge for like 2 hours and didn't come close. Got myself up to 8.5 ish and tried again for about half an hour but no chance. Dropped down to balanced. Tried for another hour. Got her down just below half a few times, otherwise she still made a fool of me. Got myself up around 8.75, tried for another half hour and really didn't do much better. Dreadfully dropped down to story. Fought her for over an hour before I finally beat her, and when I did, surprisingly, I almost had full health and only had used rage once and didn't revive.

Tried all sorts of different gear, enchantment and runic combos, but nothing seemed all that much better than the other. Having high (fast) cool down seemed to be the most useful to me. You have to learn her moves and combos and pay super close attention because some of the prep for her attacks look similar to others initially, and if you try to attack and are wrong, you pay the price dearly. If you don't attack/intervene and should have, you pay regardless. lol. That very last purple eye portion was a battle in itself boy.

The fact that this game got me to go to these lengths says A LOT. For even a good game, I would've spent half an hour before I leveled up enough then dropped down to story and just finished the Queen as soon as I could. The time in which I spent trying to defeat her, was totally worth it though.

Now just to find the last couple artifacts and ravens and I'll have my platinum trophy.



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EricHiggin said:
The mist Val wasn't so bad actually, but the fire Val was a battle. Then the Queen destroyed me, again, and again, and again...

Tried the Queen at low level 8. Played on challenge for like 2 hours and didn't come close. Got myself up to 8.5 ish and tried again for about half an hour but no chance. Dropped down to balanced. Tried for another hour. Got her down just below half a few times, otherwise she still made a fool of me. Got myself up around 8.75, tried for another half hour and really didn't do much better. Dreadfully dropped down to story. Fought her for over an hour before I finally beat her, and when I did, surprisingly, I almost had full health and only had used rage once and didn't revive.

Tried all sorts of different gear, enchantment and runic combos, but nothing seemed all that much better than the other. Having high (fast) cool down seemed to be the most useful to me. You have to learn her moves and combos and pay super close attention because some of the prep for her attacks look similar to others initially, and if you try to attack and are wrong, you pay the price dearly. If you don't attack/intervene and should have, you pay regardless. lol. That very last purple eye portion was a battle in itself boy.

The fact that this game got me to go to these lengths says A LOT. For even a good game, I would've spent half an hour before I leveled up enough then dropped down to story and just finished the Queen as soon as I could. The time in which I spent trying to defeat her, was totally worth it though.

Now just to find the last couple artifacts and ravens and I'll have my platinum trophy.

I really feel they've screwed up with balancing the queen. Every other valkyrie took me a couple of tries at most to learn the attack patterns. I had zero chance with the queen even at nearly 9th level. I see her attacks easily enough but they come just too quickly. Once I dropped down the difficulty, however, it was a piece of cake. Tbh the main problem was her Valhalla attack. It does waaay too much damage and is nearly impossible to dodge. If not for it I wouldn't have to reduce the difficulty. Perhaps timing a rage when she initiates it would've helped but I didn't think of that.



Safiir said:
EricHiggin said:
The mist Val wasn't so bad actually, but the fire Val was a battle. Then the Queen destroyed me, again, and again, and again...

Tried the Queen at low level 8. Played on challenge for like 2 hours and didn't come close. Got myself up to 8.5 ish and tried again for about half an hour but no chance. Dropped down to balanced. Tried for another hour. Got her down just below half a few times, otherwise she still made a fool of me. Got myself up around 8.75, tried for another half hour and really didn't do much better. Dreadfully dropped down to story. Fought her for over an hour before I finally beat her, and when I did, surprisingly, I almost had full health and only had used rage once and didn't revive.

Tried all sorts of different gear, enchantment and runic combos, but nothing seemed all that much better than the other. Having high (fast) cool down seemed to be the most useful to me. You have to learn her moves and combos and pay super close attention because some of the prep for her attacks look similar to others initially, and if you try to attack and are wrong, you pay the price dearly. If you don't attack/intervene and should have, you pay regardless. lol. That very last purple eye portion was a battle in itself boy.

The fact that this game got me to go to these lengths says A LOT. For even a good game, I would've spent half an hour before I leveled up enough then dropped down to story and just finished the Queen as soon as I could. The time in which I spent trying to defeat her, was totally worth it though.

Now just to find the last couple artifacts and ravens and I'll have my platinum trophy.

I really feel they've screwed up with balancing the queen. Every other valkyrie took me a couple of tries at most to learn the attack patterns. I had zero chance with the queen even at nearly 9th level. I see her attacks easily enough but they come just too quickly. Once I dropped down the difficulty, however, it was a piece of cake. Tbh the main problem was her Valhalla attack. It does waaay too much damage and is nearly impossible to dodge. If not for it I wouldn't have to reduce the difficulty. Perhaps timing a rage when she initiates it would've helped but I didn't think of that.

Hard to say how much 'easier' the fight would have been if I had hit level 9. I do agree she was a nightmare. Her Valhalla attack certainly could have been less health consuming, and I found with her it seemed like you had to always jump forward and partially sideways to dodge it. Trying to just go sideways or backwards and sideways always got me pinned, which didn't seem to be a problem with the other Val's. I never thought to try a rage burst during that attack either, which would be super hard to time, but I know if you were in rage and she Valhalla'd, your rage was just wasted. Her hit box also seemed to be much smaller than the other Val's. When trying to intervene in a prep attack with the axe, hitting the Queen was way way harder than hitting the other Val's. Her staff attacks were the worst for me. She always used them at the worst times when I was low on health or when I was in an area that was hard to dodge.

As far as I'm concerned, it was enough of a challenge in itself that story mode or not, it sure as heck felt like I was still in typical challenge mode.



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Safiir said:
EricHiggin said:
The mist Val wasn't so bad actually, but the fire Val was a battle. Then the Queen destroyed me, again, and again, and again...

Tried the Queen at low level 8. Played on challenge for like 2 hours and didn't come close. Got myself up to 8.5 ish and tried again for about half an hour but no chance. Dropped down to balanced. Tried for another hour. Got her down just below half a few times, otherwise she still made a fool of me. Got myself up around 8.75, tried for another half hour and really didn't do much better. Dreadfully dropped down to story. Fought her for over an hour before I finally beat her, and when I did, surprisingly, I almost had full health and only had used rage once and didn't revive.

Tried all sorts of different gear, enchantment and runic combos, but nothing seemed all that much better than the other. Having high (fast) cool down seemed to be the most useful to me. You have to learn her moves and combos and pay super close attention because some of the prep for her attacks look similar to others initially, and if you try to attack and are wrong, you pay the price dearly. If you don't attack/intervene and should have, you pay regardless. lol. That very last purple eye portion was a battle in itself boy.

The fact that this game got me to go to these lengths says A LOT. For even a good game, I would've spent half an hour before I leveled up enough then dropped down to story and just finished the Queen as soon as I could. The time in which I spent trying to defeat her, was totally worth it though.

Now just to find the last couple artifacts and ravens and I'll have my platinum trophy.

I really feel they've screwed up with balancing the queen. Every other valkyrie took me a couple of tries at most to learn the attack patterns. I had zero chance with the queen even at nearly 9th level. I see her attacks easily enough but they come just too quickly. Once I dropped down the difficulty, however, it was a piece of cake. Tbh the main problem was her Valhalla attack. It does waaay too much damage and is nearly impossible to dodge. If not for it I wouldn't have to reduce the difficulty. Perhaps timing a rage when she initiates it would've helped but I didn't think of that.

I dont agree that they are that much quicker. i had the problem with audio cut so when she did her main unblockcable attack I couldnt tell because her scream would cut out.

that said while she did take a long time to beat, I ended up beating her first time without taking damage. being aggressive is actually the easiest way to beat her imho. well, calculated aggressiveness.



twintail said:
Safiir said:

I really feel they've screwed up with balancing the queen. Every other valkyrie took me a couple of tries at most to learn the attack patterns. I had zero chance with the queen even at nearly 9th level. I see her attacks easily enough but they come just too quickly. Once I dropped down the difficulty, however, it was a piece of cake. Tbh the main problem was her Valhalla attack. It does waaay too much damage and is nearly impossible to dodge. If not for it I wouldn't have to reduce the difficulty. Perhaps timing a rage when she initiates it would've helped but I didn't think of that.

I dont agree that they are that much quicker. i had the problem with audio cut so when she did her main unblockcable attack I couldnt tell because her scream would cut out.

that said while she did take a long time to beat, I ended up beating her first time without taking damage. being aggressive is actually the easiest way to beat her imho. well, calculated aggressiveness.

I tried hack n slash earlier on, when playing it safe wasn't working, but it also got me nowhere. When she let her guard down and was vulnerable, that's when I went at her with everything I had, but I would say the majority of the fight at the very least, feels like you're just keeping your distance and dodging/countering attacks. It was fun for me, and I'll no doubt be replaying the game again and try to at least beat her on balanced mode next time, if not challenge, but I do agree the fight could have been handled differently. Not like it matters a whole lot because the game in it's entirety is just top notch. The few negatives are so inconsequential compared to everything that's done oh so right in the game.



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EricHiggin said:
twintail said:

I dont agree that they are that much quicker. i had the problem with audio cut so when she did her main unblockcable attack I couldnt tell because her scream would cut out.

that said while she did take a long time to beat, I ended up beating her first time without taking damage. being aggressive is actually the easiest way to beat her imho. well, calculated aggressiveness.

I tried hack n slash earlier on, when playing it safe wasn't working, but it also got me nowhere. When she let her guard down and was vulnerable, that's when I went at her with everything I had, but I would say the majority of the fight at the very least, feels like you're just keeping your distance and dodging/countering attacks. It was fun for me, and I'll no doubt be replaying the game again and try to at least beat her on balanced mode next time, if not challenge, but I do agree the fight could have been handled differently. Not like it matters a whole lot because the game in it's entirety is just top notch. The few negatives are so inconsequential compared to everything that's done oh so right in the game.

I would say the key to the fight is not to wait for her to be vulnerable. Kratos has some attacks that can straight up stun her, like the charged bear move, and its cooldown is not bad either. Lightning bolt are better than ice too.

There are definitely times when you have no choice but to be defensive/ evasive but those can be managed. Most of the time she is bringing herself to you, and when she isn't she is exposing herself to an axe throw that can stun her.

But yeah it is not an easy fight, and muscle memory helps



Btw I've advanced further since last time. But don't have much to add to the topic, other than the story became more interesting now. Went to Helheim again, and then returned to Midgard.
Been busy with various Betas instead. (Granblue Fantasy Versus, Nioh 2 and Code Vein)



EricHiggin said:
Safiir said:

I really feel they've screwed up with balancing the queen. Every other valkyrie took me a couple of tries at most to learn the attack patterns. I had zero chance with the queen even at nearly 9th level. I see her attacks easily enough but they come just too quickly. Once I dropped down the difficulty, however, it was a piece of cake. Tbh the main problem was her Valhalla attack. It does waaay too much damage and is nearly impossible to dodge. If not for it I wouldn't have to reduce the difficulty. Perhaps timing a rage when she initiates it would've helped but I didn't think of that.

Hard to say how much 'easier' the fight would have been if I had hit level 9. I do agree she was a nightmare. Her Valhalla attack certainly could have been less health consuming, and I found with her it seemed like you had to always jump forward and partially sideways to dodge it. Trying to just go sideways or backwards and sideways always got me pinned, which didn't seem to be a problem with the other Val's. I never thought to try a rage burst during that attack either, which would be super hard to time, but I know if you were in rage and she Valhalla'd, your rage was just wasted. Her hit box also seemed to be much smaller than the other Val's. When trying to intervene in a prep attack with the axe, hitting the Queen was way way harder than hitting the other Val's. Her staff attacks were the worst for me. She always used them at the worst times when I was low on health or when I was in an area that was hard to dodge.

As far as I'm concerned, it was enough of a challenge in itself that story mode or not, it sure as heck felt like I was still in typical challenge mode.

As I recall, she had a devastating aerial attack that was very difficult to escape. I had to quickly use the boy's arrows to interrupt her so she couldn't get it off. That finally gave me edge enough to beat her.