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Democratic Support of UBI and Abortion at the same time is Hypocrisy

Yes 8 26.67%
 
No 22 73.33%
 
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Democrats in order to justify abortion has used the argument that developing babies in the womb can be thought of as parasites living inside the mother and stealing nutrients in order to live and grow restricting their bodily autonomy

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetus-focus-fallacy.shtml

"In fact, the biological definition of "parasite" fits the fetal mode of growth precisely, especially since pregnancy causes a major upset to a woman's body, just like a parasite does to its host. I'm not trying to disparage fetuses with the negative connotations of the word parasite; in fact, parasites and their hosts often enjoy mutually supportive relationships, and this would include most pregnancies. However, the parasitic relationship of a fetus to a woman means that its continued existence requires her consent[13] - if she continues the pregnancy unwillingly, her rights and bodily integrity are violated. "

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unborn-child-a-parasite-a-tapeworm-columnist

 “The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells doesn’t equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions… Comparatively, a fetus is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for fetuses to suffer the same fate?”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/15192/girls-calls-baby-parasite-amanda-prestigiacomo

"Abortion-obsessed Lena Dunham's Girls, airing on HBO, refers to an unborn baby as a "parasite" during an episode called What Will We Do This Time About Adam?

The character of Hannah, played by Dunham, is more than 20 weeks into her pregnancy when her friend Elijah refers to the baby as a "parasite growing inside of you." He makes the reference before offering to find a clinic for Hannah to have the baby aborted."

I think its a fair conclusion to state that unborn babies result in a restriction of freedom and bodily autonomy for mothers

However, these are the same people that have recently put forwards proposals such as 

https://medium.com/economicsecproj/universal-basic-income-is-officially-part-of-the-california-democratic-party-platform-fc483ee040b2

"“I think it’s important because it is another step in mainstreaming the idea of basic income,” said Owen Poindexter, a candidate for state assembly in district 15 who himself is running on UBI, “this is another hand hold on the wall we’re climbing.” Poindexter is hoping that the new party platform will make people more comfortable with basic income as a talking point, “this makes it easier for politicians to point to the platform and start a conversation, and it makes it easier for voters to bring it up when they are asking questions of candidates.”"

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal-offers-economic-security-for-those-unwilling-to-work.html

"The overview notes that the Green New Deal aims to provide “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.”

How do you ensure everyone a basic income? you do so by siphoning more resources from the people who are gathering resources to begin with(typically men ironically) restricting their bodily autonomy... seeing the parallels here? Is this not like a baby siphoning resources from a mother? 

Please discuss if its a fair comparison or not below

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 17 May 2019

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...right after the republicans.



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RolStoppable said:
The democrats are definitely the worst political party of the USA...

...right after the republicans.

which republicans? RINO republicans?

Regardless anything to add on whether supporting ubi to siphon resources to people who are not productive while also supporting abortion because pregnancy siphons resources from the mother to the unborn unproductive "parasitic" baby at the same time is contradictory?



That's disgusting.

I'm all for abortion unless it's being used as birth control. If you did the deed, face up to the responsibility.



o_O.Q said:

How do you ensure everyone a basic income? you do so by siphoning more resources from the people who are gathering resources to begin with(typically men ironically) restricting their bodily autonomy... seeing the parallels here? Is this not like a baby siphoning resources from a mother? 

Please discuss if its a fair comparison or not below

Your parallels have one major failure point.  A UBI enables the lowest income earners in society to become contributing members of said society which in turn helps the whole society.  An unplanned child cannot be a contributing member of society for nearly 2 decades.  Worse still for a mother who may already be struggling and now has to struggle even harder.

ironmanDX said:
That's disgusting.

I'm all for abortion unless it's being used as birth control. If you did the deed, face up to the responsibility.

Are you including the paternal figure here too?



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At the end, women should have the final say on this issue, no matter the circumstances, really.



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SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

How do you ensure everyone a basic income? you do so by siphoning more resources from the people who are gathering resources to begin with(typically men ironically) restricting their bodily autonomy... seeing the parallels here? Is this not like a baby siphoning resources from a mother? 

Please discuss if its a fair comparison or not below

Your parallels have one major failure point.  A UBI enables the lowest income earners in society to become contributing members of said society which in turn helps the whole society.  An unplanned child cannot be a contributing member of society for nearly 2 decades.  Worse still for a mother who may already be struggling and now has to struggle even harder.

ironmanDX said:
That's disgusting.

I'm all for abortion unless it's being used as birth control. If you did the deed, face up to the responsibility.

Are you including the paternal figure here too?

"Your parallels have one major failure point.  A UBI enables the lowest income earners in society to become contributing members of said society"

that's not true

for many people if their basic needs are provided for they won't feel the need to provide value to society, since they'll be provided for regardless

what are you basing your argument on exactly?

"An unplanned child cannot be a contributing member of society for nearly 2 decades. "

and they may never become one, that's true... which isn't any different from ubi anyway

i'm just amused at the hypocrisy inherent in saying we need to be compassionate and take care of the downtrodden by taking from those that have more, but when it comes to kids, the argument is fuck those kids because they will be taking resources from the mothers who have more

and democrats can stand there and say this shit and not see that its inconsistent and even outright toxic since it could be argued that poor people occasionally make bad choices that result in their situation but the same can never be said of the unborn



Mar1217 said:
At the end, women should have the final say on this issue, no matter the circumstances, really.

what about the responsibility of women to their community?



o_O.Q said:
Mar1217 said:
At the end, women should have the final say on this issue, no matter the circumstances, really.

what about the responsibility of women to their community?

Depends on the individual, I mean a fond individualistic person will probably have no care about any so called "responsability".

On another note, should the labor process from fertilization to giving birth be recognized as an obligatory duty ?



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Mar1217 said:
o_O.Q said:

what about the responsibility of women to their community?

Depends on the individual, I mean a fond individualistic person will probably have no care about any so called "responsability".

On another note, should the labor process from fertilization to giving birth be recognized as an obligatory duty ?

"a fond individualistic person will probably have no care about any so called "responsability"."

fair enough, do you think the rich have a responsibility to the community to pay more in taxes?

"On another note, should the labor process from fertilization to giving birth be recognized as an obligatory duty ?"

i'm not the one arguing that people have a responsibility to their community, but democrats are