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0D0 said:
curl-6 said:

The Switch isn't selling due to old Wii U ports though. Most of its big games are exclusives.

BOTW can be ruled out too as that's not an old port but a simultaneous cross-gen release, and of course it's going to be more of a system seller as a launch title than coming out on a dead system the day it's replaced, that's just common sense.

So the notion that "Switch's library isn't what's selling it cos those games failed to sell the Wii U" is completely fallacious.

The Switch already has a superior library in two years than the Wii U managed in four.

I may agree or disagree with that notion but in my case I just agreed that Wii U games did wonders to Switch regardless. One of the reasons that Switch got a superior library in two years was because Wii U games were on this library. To make MK available for the Switch audience Nintendo had just to port a title. MK alone is huge.

Another factor is that many skipped Wii U. So when all those Wii U games came out for Switch in a short span of time while those buyers haven't bought hardware from Nintendo since Wii, those many were even more willing to pick up a Switch. The failure of Wii U sort of helped Switch. Many were hungry for a new Nintendo device since Wii.

Most players did indeed skip the Wii U, clearly, but quickrick was exaggerating the role of old Wii U ports in the Switch's success in order to downplay the system's library. The majority of the Switch's big games are new.

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VideoGameAccountant said:

"Nintendo's homeconsoles have declined as long as I exclude the Wii."

I have a feeling you are starting from the conclusion and working backwards. You want to say Nintendo is in decline and the Wii and Switch throw a wrench in that. Thus, you redefine them so your thesis can be right. If your thesis requires you to remove information or ignore it, then your flat out wrong. You might want to go back to the drawing board. 

Let's check:

NES 60m

SNES 50m

N64 30m

GC 20m

Wii U 13m

How the statement, as you put it "Nintendo's homeconsoles have declined as long as I exclude the Wii." is incorrect?

Wii is the only console that breaks the rule. Isn't?

When you have a rule and one single thing that breaks the rule you have an exception to the rule. Isn't it? That's not how you define an exception?

Which rule?

The rule that NES sold 60m and every other Nintendo home console sold less than that. Isn't? Is that false?

So, Nintendo's home consoles have been shrinking since the first one. Wii is an exception that I must point out. Is that false? How?

NSW is at least a hybrid console (if not a handheld), not a truly stationary home console like the past consoles and PS and X. Besides, it's not a past console, it's a current selling console. So I can leave it that off my statement now if I want.

If you say NSW is a home console like Wii U and NES. Ok, now you have Nintendo breaking the rule again. Which I disagree. Why I disagree? Because I don't put NSW on the home console category. NSW is much smarter than that.

What I criticized you is that you are working backwards. Saying "Nintendo home consoles are in decline" and then massage the scenario so it fits that narrative. What I find most ironic is the bold. It's incorrect because the Wii sold more than the console before it and after it. So there isn't a trend like you are trying to fabricate. Also, you say "

Wii is an exception that I must point out. Is that false? How?"

Buddy, YOU need to prove why that's an exception. All we are saying is "Here are all of the home console sales." It's you who is specifically ignoring certain systems to create a narrative. If you are trying to say "Nintendo's home consoles are in decline" then the Wii and the Switch are contrary to that. Any the Switch is not a home console because it's not "totally stationary"? The Wii U wasn't always stationary either with the gamepad so why is that included?

Here's the thing. We are working by looking and Nintendo's console sales and working from that. You, on the other hand, want to say "Nintendo's consoles are in decline" but to do that, you need to remove certain consoles and create criteria for them. Why can't I remove the Wii U in your scenario? It's the direct successor to the Wii, and you excluded the Wii. The Gamecube was also portable in a sense. Why can't I remove that too. And the Switch is a home console. It has a unit to hook into a wall outlet and your TV. You can just take it and play it elsewhere like the Wii U. So why shouldn't I include it? Again, the people in this thread are working from the numbers. You aren't. You need to make a better argument for why you are excluding consoles or we are going to just assume you are fudging the numbers to fit your assumptions.



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VideoGameAccountant said:
0D0 said:

Let's check:

NES 60m

SNES 50m

N64 30m

GC 20m

Wii U 13m

How the statement, as you put it "Nintendo's homeconsoles have declined as long as I exclude the Wii." is incorrect?

Wii is the only console that breaks the rule. Isn't?

When you have a rule and one single thing that breaks the rule you have an exception to the rule. Isn't it? That's not how you define an exception?

Which rule?

The rule that NES sold 60m and every other Nintendo home console sold less than that. Isn't? Is that false?

So, Nintendo's home consoles have been shrinking since the first one. Wii is an exception that I must point out. Is that false? How?

NSW is at least a hybrid console (if not a handheld), not a truly stationary home console like the past consoles and PS and X. Besides, it's not a past console, it's a current selling console. So I can leave it that off my statement now if I want.

If you say NSW is a home console like Wii U and NES. Ok, now you have Nintendo breaking the rule again. Which I disagree. Why I disagree? Because I don't put NSW on the home console category. NSW is much smarter than that.

What I criticized you is that you are working backwards. Saying "Nintendo home consoles are in decline" and then massage the scenario so it fits that narrative. What I find most ironic is the bold. It's incorrect because the Wii sold more than the console before it and after it. So there isn't a trend like you are trying to fabricate. Also, you say "

Wii is an exception that I must point out. Is that false? How?"

Buddy, YOU need to prove why that's an exception. All we are saying is "Here are all of the home console sales." It's you who is specifically ignoring certain systems to create a narrative. If you are trying to say "Nintendo's home consoles are in decline" then the Wii and the Switch are contrary to that. Any the Switch is not a home console because it's not "totally stationary"? The Wii U wasn't always stationary either with the gamepad so why is that included?

Here's the thing. We are working by looking and Nintendo's console sales and working from that. You, on the other hand, want to say "Nintendo's consoles are in decline" but to do that, you need to remove certain consoles and create criteria for them. Why can't I remove the Wii U in your scenario? It's the direct successor to the Wii, and you excluded the Wii. The Gamecube was also portable in a sense. Why can't I remove that too. And the Switch is a home console. It has a unit to hook into a wall outlet and your TV. You can just take it and play it elsewhere like the Wii U. So why shouldn't I include it? Again, the people in this thread are working from the numbers. You aren't. You need to make a better argument for why you are excluding consoles or we are going to just assume you are fudging the numbers to fit your assumptions.

Don't get angry and call me buddy.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


Playstation systems have been in decline since the 6th gen if we exclude the PS4.

155 million PS2s to 87 million PS3s

81 million PSPs to 16 million Vitas

Clearly the PS4 is an exception and therefore doesn't count ;)



curl-6 said:

Playstation systems have been in decline since the 6th gen if we exclude the PS4.

155 million PS2s to 87 million PS3s

81 million PSPs to 16 million Vitas

Clearly the PS4 is an exception and therefore doesn't count ;)

You're counting two generations of home consoles, PS2 and PS3, since you excluded not only PS4, but PS1.

Nintendo consoles on the other hand have 6 generations, excluding only the bubble that sold 4x more than the previous gen and more than 4x the next gen. Truly off the charts: the Wii.

So, I'm making an exception of one bubble in 6 Nintendo consoles. While you're cutting just half of all PS home consoles.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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curl-6 said:

Playstation systems have been in decline since the 6th gen if we exclude the PS4.

155 million PS2s to 87 million PS3s

81 million PSPs to 16 million Vitas

Clearly the PS4 is an exception and therefore doesn't count ;)

Lol, PlayStation consoles have been in decline... ps4 doesn’t count, double lolll

if you look at the curve we have a very successful ps1, followed by the best selling console ever by far, ps3 was the dark ages for Sony but still sold 80 million which isn’t bad at all, and to finish the ps4 will easily be sony’s Second best selling console ever with estimated sales of 110 to 120 million, so yeah Sony’s console sales are on the decline, triple lol.

also considering all the exclusives and microsoft’s Inability to put up a good competio, it seems the ps5 could be a big success too.



gamingsoul said:
curl-6 said:

Playstation systems have been in decline since the 6th gen if we exclude the PS4.

155 million PS2s to 87 million PS3s

81 million PSPs to 16 million Vitas

Clearly the PS4 is an exception and therefore doesn't count ;)

Lol, PlayStation consoles have been in decline... ps4 doesn’t count, double lolll

if you look at the curve we have a very successful ps1, followed by the best selling console ever by far, ps3 was the dark ages for Sony but still sold 80 million which isn’t bad at all, and to finish the ps4 will easily be sony’s Second best selling console ever with estimated sales of 110 to 120 million, so yeah Sony’s console sales are on the decline, triple lol.

also considering all the exclusives and microsoft’s Inability to put up a good competio, it seems the ps5 could be a big success too.

0D0 said:
curl-6 said:

Playstation systems have been in decline since the 6th gen if we exclude the PS4.

155 million PS2s to 87 million PS3s

81 million PSPs to 16 million Vitas

Clearly the PS4 is an exception and therefore doesn't count ;)

You're counting two generations of home consoles, PS2 and PS3, since you excluded not only PS4, but PS1.

Nintendo consoles on the other hand have 6 generations, excluding only the bubble that sold 4x more than the previous gen and more than 4x the next gen. Truly off the charts: the Wii.

So, I'm making an exception of one bubble in 6 Nintendo consoles. While you're cutting just half of all PS home consoles.

No, I'm counting 4 out of 6 Sony systems. PS1 and PS4 are exceptions, so they don't exist.