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RolStoppable said:
linkink said:

WIIU was selling like a dead console within 2 months of release WW. it doesn't have much do with the software it was a undesirable console. it's like xbox in Europe, it's not software why it's failing its just not a desired or needed console, a Nintendo handheld is a much more desirable product in all markets. japan is different that they just don't care for console gaming, since the game they love don't require the power of a home console, it won't be a desired item.

Go ahead and post the list of Wii U releases during January and February 2013.

At this point you are just trolling. Wii U did 57k-67k in January and February 2013 in the USA it's strongest market. The console just released with massive franchises in 2d mario, and had basically all the massive western franchises as well. if you think a couple of releases would have made a difference you really are out of your mind. So you really trying to suggest a month with out a release means the system just  plummets into a dead system territory of sales, get real. 

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linkink said:
RolStoppable said:

Go ahead and post the list of Wii U releases during January and February 2013.

At this point you are just trolling. Wii U did 57k-67k in January and February 2013 in the USA it's strongest market. The console just released with massive franchises in 2d mario, and had basically all the massive western franchises as well. if you think a couple of releases would have made a difference you really are out of your mind. So you really trying to suggest a month with out a release means the system just sales plummets into a dead system territory of sales, get real. 

Do you know of any console that has had good sales momentum without any new game releases?



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RolStoppable said:
linkink said:

At this point you are just trolling. Wii U did 57k-67k in January and February 2013 in the USA it's strongest market. The console just released with massive franchises in 2d mario, and had basically all the massive western franchises as well. if you think a couple of releases would have made a difference you really are out of your mind. So you really trying to suggest a month with out a release means the system just sales plummets into a dead system territory of sales, get real. 

Do you know of any console that has had good sales momentum without any new game releases?

We are not talking about momentum, it was selling like a dead system, There is a huge difference. Not even jesus himself could have saved it. Anyway it doesn't really matter, unless Nintendo releases a home console that competes with ps4/xb, and honestly they should try to with how strong there brand is right now. I would buy it, and you can prove me wrong in the process.



linkink said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you know of any console that has had good sales momentum without any new game releases?

We are not talking about momentum, it was selling like a dead system, There is a huge difference. Not even jesus himself could have saved it. Anyway it doesn't really matter, unless Nintendo releases a home console that competes with ps4/xb, and honestly they should try to with how strong there brand is right now. I would buy it, and you can prove me wrong in the process.

You have been proven wrong over and over again in this thread. Just because you deny it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
linkink said:

We are not talking about momentum, it was selling like a dead system, There is a huge difference. Not even jesus himself could have saved it. Anyway it doesn't really matter, unless Nintendo releases a home console that competes with ps4/xb, and honestly they should try to with how strong there brand is right now. I would buy it, and you can prove me wrong in the process.

You have been proven wrong over and over again in this thread. Just because you deny it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Almost everybody agrees there was no saving the Wii U. you haven't proven anything, Kinda just seems like you are delusional. Most agree japan vastly prefer's handhelds, just because you think something, doesn't mean it's proof. Can you explain why N64 sold respectable numbers in US, yet flopped in Europe? or why xbox one flopped in europe yet is selling good numbers in the USA, it's not all about software. Preferences, Brand and desirable hardware play a major role. you even bring a pathetic argument that system just launched starting selling 50-60k a month cause there wasn't no releases for a couple of months. 



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Alternate take:

The Wii U was such a colossal failure that Nintendo had to combine their handheld and home console departments just to beat the PS4.



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linkink said:
RolStoppable said:

You have been proven wrong over and over again in this thread. Just because you deny it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Almost everybody agrees there was no saving the Wii U. you haven't proven anything, Kinda just seems like you are delusional. Most agree japan vastly prefer's handhelds, just because you think something, doesn't mean it's proof. Can you explain why N64 sold respectable numbers in US, yet flopped in Europe? or why xbox one flopped in europe yet is selling good numbers in the USA, it's not all about software. Preferences, Brand and desirable hardware play a major role. you even bring a pathetic argument that system just launched starting selling 50-60k a month cause there wasn't no releases for a couple of months. 

Yes, there was no saving the Wii U. Part of why is that its software pipeline was broken right out of the gate and the droughts started immediately after launch. Software sells hardware, so if there's no new software for an extended period of time, the hardware won't sell. That's why Wii U sales were so bad so quickly. Conversely, there were bumps to hardware sales when new software got released.

Yes, Japan prefers handheld consoles because they are more convenient and the only advantage that a home console can provide nowadays are better graphics which hardly anyone cares about. Still, if home console or handheld console was the only thing that mattered, the Vita should have sold better than the PS4. Since that didn't happen, the logical conclusion is that games are more important than the console itself. But since you keep being in denial that games matter, we get posts from you where you claim that the software droughts of the Wii U did no harm to its sales.

It's pretty easy to explain why the Nintendo 64 as well as the Xbox One sold respectable numbers in the USA, but not elsewhere. The rate of multiconsole ownership is historically much, much higher in the USA than anywhere else in the world, so international struggles of a console don't translate to the US-American market in the same way. The costs of electronics as well as disposable income allows US-Americans to buy more consoles as well as games than people of other countries. Indeed, it's not only that the average gamer in the USA buys more consoles, but also more games per console. The USA leads the world in tie ratios by a comfortable margin. An additional reason for the relative success of the Nintendo 64 and the Xbox One in the USA is software that appeals to the market. The Nintendo 64 heavily dominated the FPS genre in its generation, the Xbox brand in general has the image of the American console because of its software library.

Signalstar said:
Alternate take:

The Wii U was such a colossal failure that Nintendo had to combine their handheld and home console departments just to beat the PS4.

It would make more sense to say that Nintendo reacted to Sony's decision to only support one console going forward. Sony announced in mid-2013 that all of their American and European studios were going to make PS4 games, so Sony's exit from the handheld market was already a done deal at that point. If Nintendo hadn't combined their home console and handheld efforts, they would have been the only console manufacturer to support two separate consoles simultaneously which is an obvious competitive disadvantage.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
linkink said:

Almost everybody agrees there was no saving the Wii U. you haven't proven anything, Kinda just seems like you are delusional. Most agree japan vastly prefer's handhelds, just because you think something, doesn't mean it's proof. Can you explain why N64 sold respectable numbers in US, yet flopped in Europe? or why xbox one flopped in europe yet is selling good numbers in the USA, it's not all about software. Preferences, Brand and desirable hardware play a major role. you even bring a pathetic argument that system just launched starting selling 50-60k a month cause there wasn't no releases for a couple of months. 

Yes, there was no saving the Wii U. Part of why is that its software pipeline was broken right out of the gate and the droughts started immediately after launch. Software sells hardware, so if there's no new software for an extended period of time, the hardware won't sell. That's why Wii U sales were so bad so quickly. Conversely, there were bumps to hardware sales when new software got released.

Yes, Japan prefers handheld consoles because they are more convenient and the only advantage that a home console can provide nowadays are better graphics which hardly anyone cares about. Still, if home console or handheld console was the only thing that mattered, the Vita should have sold better than the PS4. Since that didn't happen, the logical conclusion is that games are more important than the console itself. But since you keep being in denial that games matter, we get posts from you where you claim that the software droughts of the Wii U did no harm to its sales.

It's pretty easy to explain why the Nintendo 64 as well as the Xbox One sold respectable numbers in the USA, but not elsewhere. The rate of multiconsole ownership is historically much, much higher in the USA than anywhere else in the world, so international struggles of a console don't translate to the US-American market in the same way. The costs of electronics as well as disposable income allows US-Americans to buy more consoles as well as games than people of other countries. Indeed, it's not only that the average gamer in the USA buys more consoles, but also more games per console. The USA leads the world in tie ratios by a comfortable margin. An additional reason for the relative success of the Nintendo 64 and the Xbox One in the USA is software that appeals to the market. The Nintendo 64 heavily dominated the FPS genre in its generation, the Xbox brand in general has the image of the American console because of its software library.

Signalstar said:
Alternate take:

The Wii U was such a colossal failure that Nintendo had to combine their handheld and home console departments just to beat the PS4.

It would make more sense to say that Nintendo reacted to Sony's decision to only support one console going forward. Sony announced in mid-2013 that all of their American and European studios were going to make PS4 games, so Sony's exit from the handheld market was already a done deal at that point. If Nintendo hadn't combined their home console and handheld efforts, they would have been the only console manufacturer to support two separate consoles simultaneously which is an obvious competitive disadvantage.

You do realize sometimes software, cannot sale hardware, dreamcast, Xboxone in europe and wiiu are proof of that. like you that was part of the problem, only part of the problem, even you admit that at least were getting some where.

again nobody said  being a handheld is the only that mattered, but it will sell significantly more then a stationary home console givin the same software a portable will probably sell double what a home console would. PS4 has sold 10 times the software vita has in japan.

Your explanation doesn't explain why playstation consoles sell much better in Europe the USA, so it's void. Europe and USA, really have similar preferences when it comes to games, except that fifa is much bigger in Europe. 



quickrick said:

You do realize sometimes software, cannot sale hardware, dreamcast, Xboxone in europe and wiiu are proof of that. like you that was part of the problem, only part of the problem, even you admit that at least were getting some where.

again nobody said  being a handheld is the only that mattered, but it will sell significantly more then a stationary home console givin the same software a portable will probably sell double what a home console would. PS4 has sold 10 times the software vita has in japan.

Your explanation doesn't explain why playstation consoles sell much better in Europe the USA, so it's void. Europe and USA, really have similar preferences when it comes to games, except that fifa is much bigger in Europe. 

How much longer do you think that you can keep this going before you reach the edge of the cliff?



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

You do realize sometimes software, cannot sale hardware, dreamcast, Xboxone in europe and wiiu are proof of that. like you that was part of the problem, only part of the problem, even you admit that at least were getting some where.

again nobody said  being a handheld is the only that mattered, but it will sell significantly more then a stationary home console givin the same software a portable will probably sell double what a home console would. PS4 has sold 10 times the software vita has in japan.

Your explanation doesn't explain why playstation consoles sell much better in Europe the USA, so it's void. Europe and USA, really have similar preferences when it comes to games, except that fifa is much bigger in Europe. 

How much longer do you think that you can keep this going before you reach the edge of the cliff?

Honestly we should stop, I don't like owning you like this. yes if the Wiiu got one or two releases i for January and February from Third party's, it would have sold 10K more for each month. Makes a world of a difference, happy now?