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Ganoncrotch said:
zero129 said:

So your ok with pirating PC games but not switch games?. Also Steam wont remember your CC details unless you tell it too, same with PSN and id imagine the switch online store?.

When the next models of Switch come I'll get myself the pro model, move my account and library to that and use my original model (and the 256GB micro SD I used before upgrading to the 400GB one I currently use) for homebrew / piracy, I wouldn't risk my Nintendo account with hacking.

I pirate some PC games I buy others, my steam library is populated with games I love and play with friends, much like how my battle net account has my wow account of more than 2 years.... of play time and overwatch. I've no issue with paying for games on the PC where I want to I've said this in the post you quoted.

Cuphead on PC I pirated because I had a feeling that the dev's would put it somewhere I would buy it and I didn't feel it was double dip worthy but was definitely willing to pay for it once! Which I have now done. Something like street fighter 4 on the other hand.... that's a game I've bought a nearly insane number of times... paid full price for that probably... 14 times, if it was to come to the Switch that would be 15 as a pre order without a second thought, it could be 15 now if I'm missing a version but I think it's 14! 2 of those are on the PC if you're wondering! the original Street Fighter 4 from games for windows live and Ultra Street Fighter 4 sits in my steam library!

The part that made me think you didnt buy pc games is the "I dont want steam to keep my CC details", so the post kinda confused me to be honest.



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mZuzek said:
TranceformerFX said:

Uh... No...

The national

I literally stopped here. You basically ignored everything I said. Globally in the US moment.

You should have continued reading.

TransformerFX said:

By the end of the X360's & PS3's lifecycle, the adoption rate of online multiplayer had skyrocketed and the video game industry hasn't been the same since. Couple this with the advancements of visual fidelity in modern gaming, higher & more accessible internet speeds, and it was no longer "for nerds" or "losers" and video games finally became an accepted entertainment medium.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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JRPGfan said:
My old PS2 could run burnt games... there was like this disc you ran first, and then you pulled out the tray and put in the burnt disc.
When your a teen and without money, you dont really think about these things that much, you just wanted to play the games.

When my old PS2 broke I was doing the opposite; putting legit PS2 games into my PC to play them.



RolStoppable said:
mZuzek said:

I literally stopped here. You basically ignored everything I said. Globally in the US moment.

You should have continued reading.

I did (later), and it was still globally in the US stuff. Talking about how the internet changed gaming and whatnot, when I was clearly referring to the state of the gaming market in Brazil and maybe other 3rd world countries. From here, I can tell you, online gaming didn't become popular until very recently. During the PS3/X360 days, everyone had the 360 because of easier piracy, and online gaming was still a very niche thing. It only started becoming bigger well into this decade with the rise of free-to-play eSports games (because spoiler, they're free), and then the market finally began to establish itself now in the PS4 days... which makes sense, because it's during the PS4 days that most PS2 kids are now adults with jobs.

I'm not saying gaming wouldn't have ever become a bigger thing here if it wasn't for piracy, no. What's happened over the last decade is a global trend and there's no denying that. But I do think it wouldn't be as popular as it is today.



Ganoncrotch said:
gergroy said:
And for each story of how piracy lead you to buy something... there is probably hundreds if not thousands where they didn’t buy anything... just pirated... so...

Do stop and think, when it comes to the tales that piracy costs the developer money, how? If you were to steal the game by going into gamestop and literally going behind the counter and stealing a version of the game which they burned to dvd or cartridge, packaged, shipped and stocked and you stole, but... if you have the game files and I copy them... how does that cost a company money whereas when I cloned my steam library from one of my PC's to the other this week that didn't? But the rom folders I copied from one PC to the other did cost them money because it's piracy?

They lose money from lack of future income.  Somebody getting a copy of something for free is far less likely to pay for it in the future.  For example, my brother use to buy movies all the time.  Then he got a plex server and started pirating them.  Guess how many movies he has purchased since?  0.  Those companies have lost his money in their revenue streams because he just pirates everything now.  He went from probably spending a couple thousand bucks a year to spending nothing.  Piracy obviously has an affect on companies bottom lines, no matter how you want to rationalize it to yourself.  



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gergroy said:

They lose money from lack of future income.  Somebody getting a copy of something for free is far less likely to pay for it in the future.  For example, my brother use to buy movies all the time.  Then he got a plex server and started pirating them.  Guess how many movies he has purchased since?  0.  Those companies have lost his money in their revenue streams because he just pirates everything now.  He went from probably spending a couple thousand bucks a year to spending nothing.  Piracy obviously has an affect on companies bottom lines, no matter how you want to rationalize it to yourself.  

Your "brother"... riiiiight.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

Pirating games? no Movies? no Songs? no. The only thing I "pirate" is anime, and even then I try to use as many legal services as possible first, and I still feel bad about it at times. Sometimes things just aren't available or convenient, so if people pirate for those reasons they have my sympathy but not my regret.



RolStoppable said:
gergroy said:

They lose money from lack of future income.  Somebody getting a copy of something for free is far less likely to pay for it in the future.  For example, my brother use to buy movies all the time.  Then he got a plex server and started pirating them.  Guess how many movies he has purchased since?  0.  Those companies have lost his money in their revenue streams because he just pirates everything now.  He went from probably spending a couple thousand bucks a year to spending nothing.  Piracy obviously has an affect on companies bottom lines, no matter how you want to rationalize it to yourself.  

Your "brother"... riiiiight.

You should know me better than that.  I don’t pirate anything.  I actually won’t even watch movies at my parents house (my brother lives in their basement) because he has them on his plex too.  I use vudu.  I’m not a rule breaker.



Games I don't bother as you need specific hardware to play them. Plus I like playing those games on the hardware they made for,

My biggest issue is taking up space. VHS, DVD and now BluRays all take up a lot of space. Then you got 4K HD then soon 8K HD. I honestly got sick of buying discs everytime a change happens and the need to upgrade the player to play it potentially. Hell you can't even get rid of the VHS as a lot of R rated movies have been watered down for DVD and BluRay compared to their original release

Movies / TV Shows I wish they started doing proper digital distribution. I don't want monthly streaming services that fight over a few exclusives, I don't want my movies tied to a platform that may or may not go bankrupt after purchasing a digital copy (had that happen with a few blu ray digital copies already). I don't wan't movies that download in itunes or another software that has DRM. Region locking o BluRays is also a joke.

All i want is for them to release mp4 or mkvs with freedom for me to put it on a memory stick, my own hdd, or my phone and take it where I want to watch it either on holidays or at home. It also reduce the physical space needed to store this stuff. I would pay for that convenience.

Hell for the environmentalists it even saves the need to make plastic boxes lol.



 

 

I can also add, out of sheer anecdotal evidence - every single person I knew as a kid had PS2s where they would buy pirated games exclusively.

Fast forward to today, there is Sony supremacy for people who still play games, and franchises like GoW, GTA are hugely popular based on nostalgia.