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UPDATED: G.R.R. Martin denies rumor he already finished the books but made deal with showrunners not to publish until end of show

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What is your reaction to the possibility this is true?

I don't care. 15 55.56%
 
This pisses me off! 6 22.22%
 
It is understandable. 6 22.22%
 
Total:27

Update:

G.R.R. Martin denies these rumors being true:

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/

Thanks to haxxily for the update.

This rumor comes from the mouth of actor Ian McElhinney, who played Barristan Selmy on Game of Thrones:

31:39

https://youtu.be/FeftoI3c81c?t=1899

“George has already written Books 6 and 7, and as far as he’s concerned there only are seven books. But he struck an agreement with David and Dan, the showrunners on the series, that he would not publish the final two books until the series has completed. So if all goes well, in another month or two we might get Books 6 and 7, and I’m intrigued to know how Barristan, for instance, ends up going through those final two books. George, I talked to him during Season 1 and he did say to me that Barristan had a very interesting journey. But unfortunately I didn’t get to play all of that, so we’ll have to wait and see.”

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Last edited by AbbathTheGrim - on 14 May 2019

Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

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Outside of a few bits here and there, I have never watched the show. From what I've heard though, especially the last few weeks, the show has become in the eyes of some fans, anywhere from "just bad" to "total abomination", and this has been happening to some degree since the show ran out off book material to draw upon. As for a reaction, that this kind of agreement would be struck makes sense. Both from a logistical and $$$ standpoint.



Chinese food for breakfast

 

If this is true, then a lot of fans will be angry .



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

If this is true they would’ve still had material to go on. Unless the unpublished books are as illogical as the last few episodes of the series has sadly become. So I doubt there’s a fully written final two books on the shelf in GRRM’s bedroom. However I would believe that there do already exist outlines that could be more or less detailed. For example I think it was said that the ‘Hold the door’ moment plays out similar in the unpublished books. I might remember that wrong though but as an example.



From what I hear, the main problem with the later seasons of GoT seems to be that they ran out of source material.
At least that's what the decline in quality and nonsensical inconsistent character development is being blamed on.
If it turns out that that was a self-imposed ego trip on the show writers part, then it's just really really the fundamentally stupidest route they could have gone.



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Doesn't make much sense, as GRR could have released book 6 by the time that season ended and book 7 in 2020... no reason to hold both.



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DonFerrari said:
Doesn't make much sense, as GRR could have released book 6 by the time that season ended and book 7 in 2020... no reason to hold both.

Writers of the show probably didn't want to have any attention taken away from the show.



If this is true at least fans of the books can have hope to see the whole story being told and finished.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

S.Peelman said:
If this is true they would’ve still had material to go on. Unless the unpublished books are as illogical as the last few episodes of the series has sadly become.

A fair point, but the showriters said that they had known about a very important plot point that occurred in Episode 3, for the past 3 years now.
That means Dan & David had decided on the ending, or at least parts of the ending, 3 years ago. Now this may very well be based on what GRRM told them would happen in the books, and on what he had written at the time.

In the 3 years that have passed since then, it's not impossible to imagine that he managed to finish the books. And that the show writers had already decided on the course their story would take, regardless of what GRRM wrote during that time.

As writers, you want to show that you're capable of writing your own story as well, and not just adapt someone else's work. But they probably did not anticipate just how negatively some of their own later storylines would be received. 

Though I don't think we'll ever know the truth about this, unless Goerge states it officially, or the two books are released swiftly after the show ends.
I'm also hearing now that HBO supposedly wanted to give them the budget to make more episodes, which makes sense because Game of Thrones is a big cash cow for them. But Dan & David apparently just wanted to wrap things up in a few episodes.

With some more episodes, or an extra season, the whole Daenerys debacle that occurred could have been developed much better, and made sense. Among other things.

Keep in mind, one of these writers are responsible for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. And they're now moving on to work on Star Wars...

Last edited by Hiku - on 13 May 2019

I'm gonna say this scenario is unlikely. But if true, any shred of what little integrity Martin had left is out the window.