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Mortal Kombat Developer Diagnosed with PTSD

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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Dulfite said:

There may not be a lot of video game studios hiring, but there are tons and tons of coding/developer/programmer jobs for businesses out there, front or back end. As long as these people aren't dead set on developing video games specifically, they should have no problem finding work.

Dude have Kids, acepts a job in another parte of the country, spended weeks preparing and moving , starts job, Kids start to school, wife finda a job too, guy after two weeks working days : fuck this job , let me find another, he looks close to his new house, cant find a new One, the closest One is 100 km away , easy lets move on again. ...

Guy stays in job that causes him PTSD, ends up committing suicide due to job or something worse.  Is the job more important than your well being, your family etc.  At some point, when does a person realize they need to take care of themselves no matter what the cost before it ruins everything they have.  No one is saying it's easy to find a different job or even do something else but its still the responsibility of the individual to come to terms and make a decision.  Nobody says life is easy but you still in charge of your life and you cannot always expect things to go your way or to be bailed out by a third party.  Even if NR gave this guy counseling and medical help, he still cannot do the job so at the end of the day he has to move on.



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Machiavellian said:
NightlyPoe said:

I doubt they knew they were signing up to be exposed to real snuff films.

Personally, the upgrade in graphics has made Mortal Kombat uncomfortable at best and unwatchable at worst for me.

I believe we are all jumping to conclusions.  Do we know its company policy for people to watch that stuff or is it the individuals doing so in order to get inspired.  The person said they would walk by seeing people watching this stuff but that just might only be for people who need to do so because for some reason they believe it will help them with making the game.

It would be different if we read that people are being forced to watch such content in order to do their job and if they did not they would be fired or something along those lines.

I would suggest it should be company policy not to expose your co-workers to such graphic images and that the company holds some responsibility for allowing such an environment.



NightlyPoe said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe we are all jumping to conclusions.  Do we know its company policy for people to watch that stuff or is it the individuals doing so in order to get inspired.  The person said they would walk by seeing people watching this stuff but that just might only be for people who need to do so because for some reason they believe it will help them with making the game.

It would be different if we read that people are being forced to watch such content in order to do their job and if they did not they would be fired or something along those lines.

I would suggest it should be company policy not to expose your co-workers to such graphic images and that the company holds some responsibility for allowing such an environment.

Well wouldn't that just be your personal view.  Also why would your personal view should be the deciding factor to limit what an artist feel they need to do in order to do their Job.  The company already exposes their people to graphic images because they produce them within their game.  I am not sure exactly what you are expecting.  Have you seen any MK game including the latest one.  The fatalities and brutalities are pretty damn graphic already.  Just because personally you would not view, watch or create this content just mean this type of game, working at that company isn't for you.

So what responsibility does the company need to  provide.  Would it be any different then a Police, Firefighter, Military or any other company that has any type of high stress.  So far no one has found out or even know what NR offer for their employees but instead just throwing out emotional statements.  So a guy got PSTD from working there but then again an employee can get PSTD from any high stress job.  It seems you are judging the company without even knowing what they offer as solutions. 

Still, at the end of the day, if a person cannot cut it at a job they still will need to find another one.  Nothing changes on that front.  If a person tried to be a policeman, firefighter or joined the military and could not cut it, developed PSTD, what do you think would happen.  Yes they can get medical help but as far as the job is concerned they have to find something else.



Machiavellian said:
NightlyPoe said:

I would suggest it should be company policy not to expose your co-workers to such graphic images and that the company holds some responsibility for allowing such an environment.

Well wouldn't that just be your personal view.  Also why would your personal view should be the deciding factor to limit what an artist feel they need to do in order to do their Job.  The company already exposes their people to graphic images because they produce them within their game.  I am not sure exactly what you are expecting.  Have you seen any MK game including the latest one.  The fatalities and brutalities are pretty damn graphic already.  Just because personally you would not view, watch or create this content just mean this type of game, working at that company isn't for you.

So what responsibility does the company need to  provide.  Would it be any different then a Police, Firefighter, Military or any other company that has any type of high stress.  So far no one has found out or even know what NR offer for their employees but instead just throwing out emotional statements.  So a guy got PSTD from working there but then again an employee can get PSTD from any high stress job.  It seems you are judging the company without even knowing what they offer as solutions. 

There is a catastrophic divide between what you see in real life and what you see in a video game, not even remotely comparable.

The company most certainly does need to take responsibility, they are damaging the health of their employees, it's their job to make sure they are looked after... That goes for ANY field you work in.

Machiavellian said:

If a person tried to be a policeman, firefighter or joined the military and could not cut it, developed PSTD, what do you think would happen.  Yes they can get medical help but as far as the job is concerned they have to find something else.

I can tell you exactly what would happen. They wouldn't be told to "toughen up and find another job" that is for sure.



Machiavellian said:

Well wouldn't that just be your personal view.  Also why would your personal view should be the deciding factor to limit what an artist feel they need to do in order to do their Job.  The company already exposes their people to graphic images because they produce them within their game.  I am not sure exactly what you are expecting.  Have you seen any MK game including the latest one.  The fatalities and brutalities are pretty damn graphic already.  Just because personally you would not view, watch or create this content just mean this type of game, working at that company isn't for you.

So what responsibility does the company need to  provide.  Would it be any different then a Police, Firefighter, Military or any other company that has any type of high stress.  So far no one has found out or even know what NR offer for their employees but instead just throwing out emotional statements.  So a guy got PSTD from working there but then again an employee can get PSTD from any high stress job.  It seems you are judging the company without even knowing what they offer as solutions. 

Still, at the end of the day, if a person cannot cut it at a job they still will need to find another one.  Nothing changes on that front.  If a person tried to be a policeman, firefighter or joined the military and could not cut it, developed PSTD, what do you think would happen.  Yes they can get medical help but as far as the job is concerned they have to find something else.

I've made no emotional statements.  I've simply said the company is responsible for a work environment that unnecessarily harms its employees.  And while some fields have inevitable traumatic experiences like police, firefight, military, healthcare workers, social workers, etc. those are inherent to the field and usually actively mitigated when possible.  There is no inherent need for employees to watch snuff films in view of their co-workers in order to perform their jobs.  And if the current company policy is allowing such exposure, they have at minimal a moral, and probably a legal, responsibility to alter said policy to protect their employees' well-being.



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Put him in the trenches during WW1 and then he can experience true shell shock.  Swear people these days would get ptsd from watching WW2 footage.



sethnintendo said:

Put him in the trenches during WW1 and then he can experience true shell shock.  Swear people these days would get ptsd from watching WW2 footage.

Getting PTSD from war... Or getting PTSD from seeing someone being beheaded... Or getting PTSD from any number of reasons is no less or worse than each other, it's still PTSD... And it's still something that can have far reaching effects for an individual and those around them.

The "snowflake" mentality that you are adhering to isn't really helpful for those in need or those affected and is part of the problem of why so many people don't seek help when they actually should regardless of field they are in.



Pemalite said:
sethnintendo said:

Put him in the trenches during WW1 and then he can experience true shell shock.  Swear people these days would get ptsd from watching WW2 footage.

Getting PTSD from war... Or getting PTSD from seeing someone being beheaded... Or getting PTSD from any number of reasons is no less or worse than each other, it's still PTSD... And it's still something that can have far reaching effects for an individual and those around them.

The "snowflake" mentality that you are adhering to isn't really helpful for those in need or those affected and is part of the problem of why so many people don't seek help when they actually should regardless of field they are in.

I have more sympathy from someone getting it from real life event than someone watching or looking at something disturbing.

Had a friend for almost 19 years and finally had to ditch him.  He started getting panic attack three years ago supposedly because he would look at disturbing cases while working at the DA office.  He eventually had to quit his job and move back with his parents.  He is going on year 3 just drinking everyday and hasn't worked at all the entire time.  I tried to hang out with him (usually just drinking) and cheer him up to get motivated to being a normal adult again.  Now when he is approaching pretty much 3 years and will prob go on 4 I had to just ditch him.  He wasn't getting better and at end started talking shit to me because I was calling out his shit situation.  You can only give a person so much time before you deem them worthless.  He has 5 self help books though which he is supposedly reading!  He really just needs to go to rehab.  Those self help books obviously don't help shit.



sethnintendo said:

I have more sympathy from someone getting it from real life event than someone watching or looking at something disturbing.

Hopefully you never get PTSD and require help only to have no help available.
No one "wants" to get PTSD.

Everyone has a different level of tolerance to horrific images.

sethnintendo said:

Had a friend for almost 19 years and finally had to ditch him.  He started getting panic attack three years ago supposedly because he would look at disturbing cases while working at the DA office.  He eventually had to quit his job and move back with his parents.  He is going on year 3 just drinking everyday and hasn't worked at all the entire time.  I tried to hang out with him (usually just drinking) and cheer him up to get motivated to being a normal adult again.  Now when he is approaching pretty much 3 years and will prob go on 4 I had to just ditch him.  He wasn't getting better and at end started talking shit to me because I was calling out his shit situation.  You can only give a person so much time before you deem them worthless.  He has 5 self help books though which he is supposedly reading!  He really just needs to go to rehab.  Those self help books obviously don't help shit.

Are you serious? Drinking is a depressant, that ultimately solves nothing. YOU did the wrong thing.

What you should have done... And anyone who has had to deal with individuals suffering from PTSD is not get to involved on a personal level, ask them if they are okay, refer them to professional services... Many services will also contact the sufferer so you don't need to worry if said individual is going to make a move.

I highly suggest you take a course in Mental Health First Aid, it's extremely valuable... You would certainly learn allot if your current (And poor!) outlook is anything to go by. - Everyone should have that training... In conjunction with Apply First Aid and Provide Basic Emergency Life Support.



NightlyPoe said:
Machiavellian said:

Well wouldn't that just be your personal view.  Also why would your personal view should be the deciding factor to limit what an artist feel they need to do in order to do their Job.  The company already exposes their people to graphic images because they produce them within their game.  I am not sure exactly what you are expecting.  Have you seen any MK game including the latest one.  The fatalities and brutalities are pretty damn graphic already.  Just because personally you would not view, watch or create this content just mean this type of game, working at that company isn't for you.

So what responsibility does the company need to  provide.  Would it be any different then a Police, Firefighter, Military or any other company that has any type of high stress.  So far no one has found out or even know what NR offer for their employees but instead just throwing out emotional statements.  So a guy got PSTD from working there but then again an employee can get PSTD from any high stress job.  It seems you are judging the company without even knowing what they offer as solutions. 

Still, at the end of the day, if a person cannot cut it at a job they still will need to find another one.  Nothing changes on that front.  If a person tried to be a policeman, firefighter or joined the military and could not cut it, developed PSTD, what do you think would happen.  Yes they can get medical help but as far as the job is concerned they have to find something else.

I've made no emotional statements.  I've simply said the company is responsible for a work environment that unnecessarily harms its employees.  And while some fields have inevitable traumatic experiences like police, firefight, military, healthcare workers, social workers, etc. those are inherent to the field and usually actively mitigated when possible.  There is no inherent need for employees to watch snuff films in view of their co-workers in order to perform their jobs.  And if the current company policy is allowing such exposure, they have at minimal a moral, and probably a legal, responsibility to alter said policy to protect their employees' well-being.

The work environment is making games that show death in a bunch of different ways.  There is no 2 ways about it.  It's not a job cut out for everyone and so everyone should not sign up for it.  You are basically trying to define what a game studio should be just because they create entertainment forgetting that the creation of that content doesn't always align with standard principals.  The nature of the job put people in a position where its not going to be advantageous for everyone and morality doesn't play a role because morality is defined differently for each individual.

Choices are made by any individual and if a job sucks for them then they need to quit and move on.  You say that Police, healthcare etc have traumatic experiences inherent to their field and I see no reason why a company that produces death sequences within their product not being right there with those companies.  You are basically saying just because it's a game company, there isn't traumatic experience you would encounter and I am saying you are wrong when the company deals with death on the nature of their product.  That would be like saying an Anime studio would not have traumatic experiences if the movies they make deal in gruesome deaths.  People consider Anime as cartoons and think of it as a kids medium but anyone who watches Anime knows that isn't the case.  I am saying game studios just like any job should not be thought of any different as any job where you deal in content on the level as NR.

At best the employee could have made a statement about seeing such content walking by and NR could ask those employees to move their desk so that the content could not be viewed by others walking by but that's pretty much it.  If this was a problem and brought up to management then sometimes it does involve employees bringing such issues up to HR and management. 

As to whether people should be watching such content, I leave that up to the person doing so and do not judge how they get inspiration for creating their work.  I have no clue what it takes for people to create the type of content like MK, gruesome Anime movies, or horror movies books you name it.  Even trying to just make your standard shooter, I have heard some questionable things people do to make that content.  Who am I or you to judge them just because we may not be entertained but such stuff.