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Bethesda Is Doubling Down On Creation Engine. What Gives?

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gergroy said:
Wow, the amount of hate for Bethesda in here is mind boggling. They are responsible for some of the best games ever made! People need to chill, good grief.

There is a relatively small group of anti-Bethesda people here but they show up in every single thread that even sideways mentions Bethesda or Bethesda games.  Rather than just not play those games and move on to something else, they circle around like vultures and chant "DOOM".  There are still a few others but they'll likely show up soon.  



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I don't really mind. There are engines much older then Creation still in use.
They do on the other hand really need to give it some spit, polish and elbow grease.



WolfpackN64 said:
I don't really mind. There are engines much older then Creation still in use.
They do on the other hand really need to give it some spit, polish and elbow grease.

The problem is once you start useing engines for things they arnt well designed for, its more prone to breaking down/errors/bugs ect.

Bethesda could probably benefit alot, from just moveing to a newer engine.
Eg. better running / lookin game, with less bugs (due to old engine issues).

Its probably wishfull thinking, that they ll just "elbow grease" their way outta troubles caused by engine pick.
Do you see bethesda just working harder & putting in more work, to polish things? if they cared enough, they wouldnt have released Fallout 76 as is.
They simply dont care enough about their quality of work.

As the saying goes "you can work smart, or you can work hard"

Bethesda isnt going to work harder, maybe they should work smarter?
Right tools + engine = less work/bugs to fix ect.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 07 May 2019

They should use Unreal and save mad bucks on the EGS!



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Why? It's theirs, it's cheap, they're greedy and don't want to spend a buck.

Can't wait to see how that will play out with their next releases. But the way they are handling things doesn't bode well for Bethesda.

WolfpackN64 said:
I don't really mind. There are engines much older then Creation still in use.
They do on the other hand really need to give it some spit, polish and elbow grease.

There are, at least what the base of these engines are. Unity would be an example.

However, they are getting constantly upgraded and expanded to keep up with the times. The Creation Engine on the other hand is already an outdated mess that can't really cope with modern hardware due to some of the groundwork being pretty much incompatible with modern ways of computing. Spit, polish and Elbow grease won't do much if the groundwork is rubbish



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I think Bethesda is in a situation where they feel as though they don't have the competency to create a new, better, engine. Thus, knowing that TESVI will need to rely on their old engine, they are going to do it anyways, in the hopes of getting whatever money they can out of the franchise before it's considered dead.

Game engines can be updated and fixed, depending on the circumstances, but they have shown us over time that the best they can do is simply not good enough, and TESVI will suffer as a result.



JRPGfan said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I don't really mind. There are engines much older then Creation still in use.
They do on the other hand really need to give it some spit, polish and elbow grease.

The problem is once you start useing engines for things they arnt well designed for, its more prone to breaking down/errors/bugs ect.

Bethesda could probably benefit alot, from just moveing to a newer engine.
Eg. better running / lookin game, with less bugs (due to old engine issues).

Its probably wishfull thinking, that they ll just "elbow grease" their way outta troubles caused by engine pick.
Do you see bethesda just working harder & putting in more work, to polish things? if they cared enough, they wouldnt have released Fallout 76 as is.
They simply dont care enough about their quality of work.

As the saying goes "you can work smart, or you can work hard"

Bethesda isnt going to work harder, maybe they should work smarter?
Right tools + engine = less work/bugs to fix ect.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but Bethesda would have to be pretty stupid to make the Fallout 76 mistake twice. Even so, I think Fallout 4 showed there is some life in the Creation Engine, and it's ability to be modded is simply unrivaled in the industry.

But they will probably need to break compatibility with old G.E.C.K.'s to update the engine to a point where it can compete again with other major engines and make a completely new modding toolkit.

But I believe, with all the work put in to make the engine multiplayer capable, Bethesda has already sunk in way too much money trying to update it. I can only see them trying to massage it into a better engine then giving up on it alltogether.



pokoko said:
gergroy said:
Wow, the amount of hate for Bethesda in here is mind boggling. They are responsible for some of the best games ever made! People need to chill, good grief.

There is a relatively small group of anti-Bethesda people here but they show up in every single thread that even sideways mentions Bethesda or Bethesda games.  Rather than just not play those games and move on to something else, they circle around like vultures and chant "DOOM".  There are still a few others but they'll likely show up soon.  

I don't really have a vested interest in this argument, but I have to ask you something. Is it ok for a gaming studio to keep using the same engine over and over again with crazy amounts of bugs when other companies are moving on with far better engines? Just curious what your thoughts are here.



My Prediction: Bethesda is going to try and re-brand the Creation Engine under a new name, but deep down it's still going to be the Creation Engine. It makes me upset just thinking about it. Peh!



Ultimately if they want to give more leeway for people to critizise them because of the use of an old engine proven to be immensly broken from the times of yore simply for greed, go for it. It'll just be another cornerstonein their disappointing follow ups lately and maybe people won't be so stubborn anymore to excuse such poor constructed games. (Albeit few exceptions from their other studios)



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