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Will Avengers:Endgame beat Avatar?

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thismeintiel said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not really. There've been plenty of movies that are older, have had no follow up material and have had a much larger impact than Avatar did.

Plenty of films that have had sequels that still would have had a much larger impact than Avatar even without the sequels too.

Exactly. RoboCop, Predator, Alien, and Terminator are good examples. In the Alien and Terminator's case, they definitely blew up larger with the sequel, but they were already popular before it released and already made an impact on culture. Especially Arnold and his "I'll be back." Most kids couldn't even watch those films, yet they knew the characters and lines from the film, as well as bought the toys and dressed up as them for Halloween.

It's got to be almost a decade since I've seen someone have an Avatar toy or dress up as a Navi for Halloween. Haven't heard a single person reference a line from it or even know the name of one of the characters, even if they claimed to like it. No impact whatsoever. The only people who reference that movie without being provoked to either talk about how forgettable it was or how much it made. Yet, somehow, Cameron thinks Avatar sequels are his future. And this is really why it's taken him this long. He has no idea where to go with the story or is searching for some other gimmick to turn a mediocre film into a huge success.

Like much of the rest of your post, you're making this up. Since Avatar 2 and 3 have already been filmed, we can clearly deduce James Cameron knows what the story is.



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Jumpin said:
thismeintiel said:

Exactly. RoboCop, Predator, Alien, and Terminator are good examples. In the Alien and Terminator's case, they definitely blew up larger with the sequel, but they were already popular before it released and already made an impact on culture. Especially Arnold and his "I'll be back." Most kids couldn't even watch those films, yet they knew the characters and lines from the film, as well as bought the toys and dressed up as them for Halloween.

It's got to be almost a decade since I've seen someone have an Avatar toy or dress up as a Navi for Halloween. Haven't heard a single person reference a line from it or even know the name of one of the characters, even if they claimed to like it. No impact whatsoever. The only people who reference that movie without being provoked to either talk about how forgettable it was or how much it made. Yet, somehow, Cameron thinks Avatar sequels are his future. And this is really why it's taken him this long. He has no idea where to go with the story or is searching for some other gimmick to turn a mediocre film into a huge success.

Like much of the rest of your post, you're making this up. Since Avatar 2 and 3 have already been filmed, we can clearly deduce James Cameron knows what the story is.

Lol.  Oh, yea, he knows exactly what he's doing with his series.  That's why there have been constant delays in the sequels release dates and why the first sequel will come out 12 years after the first one.



Jumpin said:

Also, I am not aware of any film that has ripped off Inception.

...please see Doctor Strange...

[edit: on topic, $46M gap to go....as of today, 6/17/19]

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These kind of comparisons are worthless. 10 years ago the dollar had a bigger purchasing power than today. If you correct what Avatar made that time with the inflation in the last 10 years, its box office would jump by like something between 20-30%.



Yeah, probably not going to make it without a re-release down the line. So close. Thing is Avatar is definitely getting a re-release itself at some point to warm up for the sequels



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melbye said:
Yeah, probably not going to make it without a re-release down the line. So close. Thing is Avatar is definitely getting a re-release itself at some point to warm up for the sequels

Yup. I see a re-release of Avatar making a few hundred million, bring it to 3 billion or over.

After the first week or so, I thought Avengers: Endgame was a given to beat Avatar. Now, it's an uphill battle. The film's been making less than $1 million a day most days for weeks now I'm pretty sure. It will make probably another $10 mil to $20 mil. "We're in the endgame now."



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Looking back at Avatar's global box office figures, it appears that it made $2.74B from the original theatrical run, with the Special Edition release adding another $48M. So, if you exclude the SE re-release of Avatar, Endgame has already surpassed it. Of course, while Avatar benefited from a re-release, Endgame benefits from a decade's worth of ticket price inflation. In inflation-adjusted terms, Endgame will end up far short of Avatar. It might have had the huge opening, but its legs weren't nearly as strong as Avatar's, which were turbo-charged.

Speaking of Endgame's (relatively) unimpressive legs, I wonder why it wasn't considered a disappointment by the same people who called The Last Jedi a box office disappointment. Endgame actually bled out at a noticeably faster rate than TLJ, and, at least according to some people apparently (TLJ's critics, namely), it's the money made after the fourth week in the box office that's the real test of a movie's success.

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Shadow1980 said:

Looking back at Avatar's global box office figures, it appears that it made $2.74B from the original theatrical run, with the Special Edition release adding another $48M. So, if you exclude the SE re-release of Avatar, Endgame has already surpassed it. Of course, while Avatar benefited from a re-release, Endgame benefits from a decade's worth of ticket price inflation. In inflation-adjusted terms, Endgame will end up far short of Avatar. It might have had the huge opening, but its legs weren't nearly as strong as Avatar's, which were turbo-charged.

Speaking of Endgame's (relatively) unimpressive legs, I wonder why it wasn't considered a disappointment by the same people who called The Last Jedi a box office disappointment. Endgame actually bled out at a noticeably faster rate than TLJ, and, at least according to some people apparently (TLJ's critics, namely), it's the money made after the fourth week in the box office that's the real test of a movie's success.

A lot of people are forgiving the drop off because of the "must see it before I get spoiled" approach that presumably frontloaded the movie so much.  Endgame was the final movie of an 11 year movie chain, with the next Spider-Man movie serving as the epilogue.  TLJ is a Star Wars movie, which means that it opens to too much hype, unrealistic expectations, and a segment of vocal cannibalistic fans that I think now hate the franchise more than they ever loved it just because its the cool thing to do.



Shadow1980 said:

Looking back at Avatar's global box office figures, it appears that it made $2.74B from the original theatrical run, with the Special Edition release adding another $48M. So, if you exclude the SE re-release of Avatar, Endgame has already surpassed it. Of course, while Avatar benefited from a re-release, Endgame benefits from a decade's worth of ticket price inflation. In inflation-adjusted terms, Endgame will end up far short of Avatar. It might have had the huge opening, but its legs weren't nearly as strong as Avatar's, which were turbo-charged.

Speaking of Endgame's (relatively) unimpressive legs, I wonder why it wasn't considered a disappointment by the same people who called The Last Jedi a box office disappointment. Endgame actually bled out at a noticeably faster rate than TLJ, and, at least according to some people apparently (TLJ's critics, namely), it's the money made after the fourth week in the box office that's the real test of a movie's success.

Still, can't get over that many just didn't like that film, huh?

TLJ wasn't so frontloaded that it actually helped its outcome, like Endgame was. It didn't make it anywhere near its predecessor, which Endgame easily beat. And its legs were worse than the SW spin-off, Rogue One. It failed to meet anywhere near the lowest projections for it and led to merch sales declining.   No matter how you slice it, the movie underperformed.

Neodegenerate said:
Shadow1980 said:

Looking back at Avatar's global box office figures, it appears that it made $2.74B from the original theatrical run, with the Special Edition release adding another $48M. So, if you exclude the SE re-release of Avatar, Endgame has already surpassed it. Of course, while Avatar benefited from a re-release, Endgame benefits from a decade's worth of ticket price inflation. In inflation-adjusted terms, Endgame will end up far short of Avatar. It might have had the huge opening, but its legs weren't nearly as strong as Avatar's, which were turbo-charged.

Speaking of Endgame's (relatively) unimpressive legs, I wonder why it wasn't considered a disappointment by the same people who called The Last Jedi a box office disappointment. Endgame actually bled out at a noticeably faster rate than TLJ, and, at least according to some people apparently (TLJ's critics, namely), it's the money made after the fourth week in the box office that's the real test of a movie's success.

A lot of people are forgiving the drop off because of the "must see it before I get spoiled" approach that presumably frontloaded the movie so much.  Endgame was the final movie of an 11 year movie chain, with the next Spider-Man movie serving as the epilogue.  TLJ is a Star Wars movie, which means that it opens to too much hype, unrealistic expectations, and a segment of vocal cannibalistic fans that I think now hate the franchise more than they ever loved it just because its the cool thing to do.

No one hates the franchise. They hate what it has become. We'll still watch the OG trilogy and play any decent SW games.



Neodegenerate said:
Shadow1980 said:

Looking back at Avatar's global box office figures, it appears that it made $2.74B from the original theatrical run, with the Special Edition release adding another $48M. So, if you exclude the SE re-release of Avatar, Endgame has already surpassed it. Of course, while Avatar benefited from a re-release, Endgame benefits from a decade's worth of ticket price inflation. In inflation-adjusted terms, Endgame will end up far short of Avatar. It might have had the huge opening, but its legs weren't nearly as strong as Avatar's, which were turbo-charged.

Speaking of Endgame's (relatively) unimpressive legs, I wonder why it wasn't considered a disappointment by the same people who called The Last Jedi a box office disappointment. Endgame actually bled out at a noticeably faster rate than TLJ, and, at least according to some people apparently (TLJ's critics, namely), it's the money made after the fourth week in the box office that's the real test of a movie's success.

A lot of people are forgiving the drop off because of the "must see it before I get spoiled" approach that presumably frontloaded the movie so much.  Endgame was the final movie of an 11 year movie chain, with the next Spider-Man movie serving as the epilogue.  TLJ is a Star Wars movie, which means that it opens to too much hype, unrealistic expectations, and a segment of vocal cannibalistic fans that I think now hate the franchise more than they ever loved it just because its the cool thing to do.

No my friend. I'm currently re-rewatching The Clone Wars series and I'm planning to re-watch Rebels afterwards, AND I'm really looking forward to play SW: Fallen Order next.

So I would say that my love for SW is still intact.  And it is precisely because of my love for it that I cannot support what they have been doing with it in this last trilogy.