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Will Avengers:Endgame beat Avatar?

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Fallawful said:
In slightly unrelated news, I am astounded by how much Avatar money made and how little pop cultural impact it had. The only time people ever speak of it is for sales numbers. It was truly just a graphics hype. I don't expect its sequels to come close to its numbers.

Yeah, Avatar's complete inability to impact the cultural zeitgeist is telling.  The movie just isn't remembered fondly.  It had a successful gimmick (3D) and was promptly forgotten by the masses.  I swear, The Sandlot is more culturally relevant if t-shirt polls are anything to go by.



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Dark Phoenix not being that good could should help out Endgames legs a bit.

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I think I'm one of the few people who hope it doesn't pass Avatar. For me, Endgame wasn't the movie that tops Infinity War in quality, as it should have done. And I really loved Avatar.



The reason why Avatar hasn’t had the same cultural impact is because it’s from 10 years ago and has no follow up material. Marvel movies come out like every couple of months and has lots of additional material. You’re talking 1 film compared to a franchise universe with an entire corporate machine constantly backing it.



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Jumpin said:
The reason why Avatar hasn’t had the same cultural impact is because it’s from 10 years ago and has no follow up material. Marvel movies come out like every couple of months and has lots of additional material. You’re talking 1 film compared to a franchise universe with an entire corporate machine constantly backing it.

Not really. There've been plenty of movies that are older, have had no follow up material and have had a much larger impact than Avatar did.

Plenty of films that have had sequels that still would have had a much larger impact than Avatar even without the sequels too.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Jumpin said:
The reason why Avatar hasn’t had the same cultural impact is because it’s from 10 years ago and has no follow up material. Marvel movies come out like every couple of months and has lots of additional material. You’re talking 1 film compared to a franchise universe with an entire corporate machine constantly backing it.

Not really. There've been plenty of movies that are older, have had no follow up material and have had a much larger impact than Avatar did.

Plenty of films that have had sequels that still would have had a much larger impact than Avatar even without the sequels too.

That's another topic which would be interressitng to discuss about



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Jumpin said:
The reason why Avatar hasn’t had the same cultural impact is because it’s from 10 years ago and has no follow up material. Marvel movies come out like every couple of months and has lots of additional material. You’re talking 1 film compared to a franchise universe with an entire corporate machine constantly backing it.

Umm...

Gone with the wind

Shawshanke redemption

12 angry Men

Psycho

Need I go on? Plenty of films have had much more cultural impact without any sequels.



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Eagle367 said:
Jumpin said:
The reason why Avatar hasn’t had the same cultural impact is because it’s from 10 years ago and has no follow up material. Marvel movies come out like every couple of months and has lots of additional material. You’re talking 1 film compared to a franchise universe with an entire corporate machine constantly backing it.

Umm...

Gone with the wind

Shawshanke redemption

12 angry Men

Psycho

Need I go on? Plenty of films have had much more cultural impact without any sequels.

Literally all of these are adaptations of written works, with many versions across TV, theaters etc. often before becoming movies.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Eagle367 said:

Umm...

Gone with the wind

Shawshanke redemption

12 angry Men

Psycho

Need I go on? Plenty of films have had much more cultural impact without any sequels.

Literally all of these are adaptations of written works, with many versions across TV, theaters etc. often before becoming movies.

Psycho had a book only a year before the movie and a tv series way after "Bates Motel" and that was a failure. Most if not all of these are only known through 1 movie and not the entire fiction work. No one remembers the 2nd 12 angry Men or the Psycho book for example. What made them cultural phenomenon was one movie and that's it. And that's the point I was trying to make.



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haxxiy said:
Eagle367 said:

Umm...

Gone with the wind

Shawshanke redemption

12 angry Men

Psycho

Need I go on? Plenty of films have had much more cultural impact without any sequels.

Literally all of these are adaptations of written works, with many versions across TV, theaters etc. often before becoming movies.

And all of them are ancient (different time, different culture, very different industry) and not one of them is an action blockbuster; not particularly relevant comparisons since their impacts would be completely different than a film like Avatar. Films are more disposable entertainment these days; you look back at not just Psycho, but all of Hitchcock's films, and they're all classics, many took a while to gain cultural traction (Vertigo not until its remaster almost 3 decades later); but that's not particularly true about the last 15 years or so - oversaturation? The Internet? Who knows the reason. But usually what makes a film culturally relevant among new franchises is when the sequels or TV series comes out.

The comparison we are really making is the Marvel Universe, which has (probably) thousands of TV episodes spanning decades, and even more comic books. There are films dating back decades.

Much of the backlash toward Avatar was because of the tremendous success it had, and the transition to 3D film which was unpopular among the hipster/1337/hardcore types. Biases developed because those sorts felt the film did not deserve all the success it received. A very similar thing happened to Titanic and it took nearly 20 years for people to start coming around on that one.

The real test for Avatar will be when the sequels will release. It will generate renewed interest in the original film. And yes, it will no longer be comparable to single run films: depending on where additional materials go, it may become more comparable to Terminator, Star Wars, and other similar blockbuster franchises. I know I am not alone on this forum in people looking forward to that time... although, I admit, I am not a fan of superhero films, but I am a fan of science fiction and sci-fi blockbusters - I think I am one of the only ones here who also really liked Interstellar and Blade Runner 2049 - Sci Fi Blockbuster isn't a popular genre unless it is part of an older franchise (Star Wars, Star Trek), or an adaptation (and not always even then).

Maybe I'll be wrong about Avatar, we'll see. I hope the sequels are great, and I think they will be; I haven't seen a James Cameron film I have disliked - and his films that are sequels tend to be better than the originals  -- I know Alien and The Terminator have fans that prefer those ones, but I think far more prefer Aliens and T2; they also clearly had larger cultural impacts than the originals (which, IMO, were already pretty great films, no one else has been able to direct a great sequel in either franchise aside from James Cameron).

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