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CGI-Quality said:
mZuzek said:

Either way, I do get the feeling I'll eventually end up on your side.

You will. :P

In all seriousness, sometimes, putting a little fear out there is healthy (keeps some things in check). However, if it becomes a thing of abuse, then yeah, we have to nip that. We have some missteps there, but the fix to things isn't always easy. Just like having toxic users banned. Sure, that's the easiest way to remove a problem in the moment, but think of a colony of roaches. Stomping one here and there is futile if your house is infested. Strategy is what will need to be applied.

Crazy as it sounds, sometimes, it is more strategic to let a toxic user remain, as they can bring in site traffic. I'm not saying let it be a free-for-all, but controversy can be healthy. I particularly feel you in one area - mods shouldn't always be arresting officers. Sometimes, a simple intervention is enough. Loud and clear, I hear that!

That's a philosophy I've espoused for quite a while, and have put hands to keyboard to express it over the years. In the mod thread, and various others. *bleep, it was literally 2 days ago that I referred to quickrick as a good "wheel greaser" ( while also acknowledging that I wasn't fully aware of the negative impact he may have been having due to my lack of participation in certain sales threads ). So that doesn't sound crazy at all. :)



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One of the problems here, and it's always been a problem, is that trolling is allowed despite supposedly being banned.

You know how to do it, you can troll all you want. If you've been here long enough you can get away with a lot more. Connections help as well, obviously. The result is confusion for new members who see troll threads with "lol" comments from mods then they get banned themselves for responding in kind. It's basically allowed flamebaiting in an arena that heavily favors those who know the unwritten rules.

I can't really blame people for moving on when they can't get a straight answer. At least be honest and give them a chance.



My lower amount of activity is from the mobile experience.

Also, I kind of enjoy the system wars, and they're somewhat dead.
Even in terms of dead systems, I like the combative nature of system vs. system comparisons.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

As we all should say, thanks @talonman for keeping this place alive. But for the lack of posts, we are in a real dead period of the year. No new announcements, very few new games, dying consoles. We should see better activity next year with us politics and new consoles. But at the same time a lot of other sites have come along to distract forum users like reddit and discord. So it's a bit of losing battle. Overall vgc will survive, it'll probably never be back to its 2008 or so days, but it's a tough market with more competition than we've ever had before.



     

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mZuzek said:
thismeintiel said:

Jesus fucking Christ. I'm glad I finished drinking my soda before I read this, lol.

Now you made me wish I had soda right now.

Is there no soda on your planet?



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thismeintiel said:
mZuzek said:

Now you made me wish I had soda right now.

Is there no soda on your planet?

I'm currently living on Terra, and there is soda here. I'm drinking it right now, thank you.



mZuzek said:
Darc Requiem said:
Honestly forums in general are just not as popular anymore. The new generation likes Reddit, Twitter, and Discord. Don't understand the fascination withDiscord for discussions. Forums are far easier to search and archive info.

I couldn't begin to explain my distaste for Reddit and especially Twitter in the modern day, but Discord is very much fine I think, for mostly everything... but it really doesn't allow for deeper meaningful discussions as well as a forum does, because it makes every post feel so disposable. I guess it's inevitable as mostly everyone these days has a similarly disposable attention span. But even if we are a small minority in the internet these days, I'm far from convinced that this community is doing as well as it could.

For games with in depth strategies, Discord blows. A lot of fighting game tech gets discussed on Discord now.



Darc Requiem said:
mZuzek said:

I couldn't begin to explain my distaste for Reddit and especially Twitter in the modern day, but Discord is very much fine I think, for mostly everything... but it really doesn't allow for deeper meaningful discussions as well as a forum does, because it makes every post feel so disposable. I guess it's inevitable as mostly everyone these days has a similarly disposable attention span. But even if we are a small minority in the internet these days, I'm far from convinced that this community is doing as well as it could.

For games with in depth strategies, Discord blows. A lot of fighting game tech gets discussed on Discord now.

Not sure about strategy games, but I'm very much fine with the fighting game discussion there. It's a good place for sharing quick, to-the-point info, which is very much what fighting game tech is. What I mean by deeper meaningful discussions is, well, what we're having here for example, or any kind of more in-depth debate where people are trying to actually back up their arguments and stuff. Because less emphasis put on well thought arguments usually means more hostility as everyone just wants to throw out their opinion and can easily ignore the next person's. Discord at least doesn't give you complete and total anonymity as you can get banned from the groups you're a part of and all, but if you keep going down the ladder into something like, say, YouTube comments, arguments over there usually go something like

"My favorite game is X. I think it's really cool because the gameplay is more fun than Y and has a better story too."
Reply: "Y is way better than X lol you're a fucking prick"

...yeah, very much along those lines. Discord is better than that, and we're well better than Discord. It's just a difference in how much each type of place encourages people to be more thoughtful and civil, and you know, not every place needs to be like that. But I think there'll always be room for forums, even if they've become a little niche.



mZuzek said:
thismeintiel said:

Is there no soda on your planet?

I'm currently living on Terra, and there is soda here. I'm drinking it right now, thank you.

OK, good.  Had me worried there for a second.



CGI-Quality said:
mZuzek said:

That's good to know, but I'm still not convinced. Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention, but I can barely recall any 'relevant' new users here from 2017 and newer, whereas from 2012-13 there are plenty of people I can remember, some of which had a considerable impact on the community.

We've had some decent users since 2017. :P

Regardless...

  • When a platform dominates like a PS2/PS4, the discussion becomes less fun. Nothing to argue (as there was during the PS3/360 era ~ graphics/sales)
  • Our sales tracking did face some issues for a bit and many who came here for those numbers simply stopped
  • VGChartz was born when forums were really boomin'! With the uptick of simpler stuff like Twitter, we will, like many other sites, inevitably lose traffic

I really think the best time to judge this will be around the launch of the new systems. 

This has impacted not only gaming but other forums too. TBH VGChartz has done well to survive. Three gaming sites I used to visit died. This is the last one I am on and I think it does just fine when a new gen or new news comes out.