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Keybladewielder said:
My second favorite Final Fantasy game (after Final Fantasy VI), it has an amazingly well realized world with lots of attention to detail, a fun strategic battle system (and some actual difficulty), a likeable cast of characters (well, excepting Vaan and Penelo, who are just boring), fantastic dialogue direction and voice acting, and tons of side content.

Everyone always seems to be down on Vaan and Penelo. I probably was too back when I first played it but replaying it now as an adult I realized some subtle nuance about the game's plot and characters that I missed.

Vaan and Penelo's purpose in the plot is that they represent the small normal commoners who are pulled and tugged by the whims of those above them.

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Pretty much everyone else in the party and main cast is some noble birthed Royal with a heightened purpose. It is the actions of those that people that control everyone's lives. There is a point in the game where Ashe gets her own Nethecite. Holding the power of mass destruction in the palm of her hand, realizing she can take revenge on Archadia. Vaan brings up the most important point that what kind of person would she be if she used that on the people of Archadia? Sure, Archadian government used it on Nabradia but is Eye for an Eye what we want to be doing with Nukes? That destruction was devestating, but most importantly it killed thousands of innocent people that didn't have a say in the monarchy. Vaan convinces her inadvertently that she needed to put vengeance aside and strive for justice. So in essence Vaan and Penelo's point to the story is to remind all these highborns who they are supposed to be fighting for.


      

      

      

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It's the game in the series that looks the least like a main Final Fantasy, but it's one of the best. The story is simple but the script is great, the battle system is amazing and I think the graphics still hold up. I'm not a big fan of the ost though. They should as well have called this Vagrant Story 2 or something. But nonetheless it's a great game. Wish they made a sequel or another game with similar gameplay.



forevercloud3000 said:
Dulfite said:
Man, what have I gotten myself into? I bought FFIX casually figuring I'd try my first ever FF game. I really liked it after beating it, so I bought FFIIV on Switch as well, and am loving that so far. Now I'm on a quest to beat all the non MMO and non NES FF games (I can't stand NES games, but LOVE SNES games), but I'm barely into VII, so it's going to be a while before I can play FFXII haha.

I feel like I can't read the OP or comments in this thread, as I don't want any spoilers. It's going to take me forever to do all this lol.

Until recent years the FF series was the pinnacle of my gaming library. I played games before it but i did not BECOME a gamer until I played FFVII. Just one of the most awe inspiring games for me. They are like a good book with multiple layers of spiritual intrigue and captivating world lore that usually speaks to something very realistic and poignant. 

Finish VII, the Materia System is grand, the story amazing.

But after you should hop onto this FFXII train because it was a refreshing twist for the series in many ways. I would say I would hope the series progresses more into it's form of "Action" combat rather than FFXV's.

I was planning to do FFX-X2 next, since that released before FFXII, or are those games not good?



ptofhearts said:
It's the game in the series that looks the least like a main Final Fantasy, but it's one of the best. The story is simple but the script is great, the battle system is amazing and I think the graphics still hold up. I'm not a big fan of the ost though. They should as well have called this Vagrant Story 2 or something. But nonetheless it's a great game. Wish they made a sequel or another game with similar gameplay.

It's a shame the Ivalice team/world seems to have been abandoned. Sure it's was made aware that FF14 is actually set there recently but FF12, Tactics and Vagrant Story is all we have of this connected world.

Would like for new Vagrant Story.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
ptofhearts said:
It's the game in the series that looks the least like a main Final Fantasy, but it's one of the best. The story is simple but the script is great, the battle system is amazing and I think the graphics still hold up. I'm not a big fan of the ost though. They should as well have called this Vagrant Story 2 or something. But nonetheless it's a great game. Wish they made a sequel or another game with similar gameplay.

It's a shame the Ivalice team/world seems to have been abandoned. Sure it's was made aware that FF14 is actually set there recently but FF12, Tactics and Vagrant Story is all we have of this connected world.

Would like for new Vagrant Story.

A new Vagrant Story with FFXII gameplay mixed with the original VS gameplay would be so cool. 



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Dulfite said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Until recent years the FF series was the pinnacle of my gaming library. I played games before it but i did not BECOME a gamer until I played FFVII. Just one of the most awe inspiring games for me. They are like a good book with multiple layers of spiritual intrigue and captivating world lore that usually speaks to something very realistic and poignant. 

Finish VII, the Materia System is grand, the story amazing.

But after you should hop onto this FFXII train because it was a refreshing twist for the series in many ways. I would say I would hope the series progresses more into it's form of "Action" combat rather than FFXV's.

I was planning to do FFX-X2 next, since that released before FFXII, or are those games not good?

My hierarchy goes as follows...

VII > X > XII >IX >VI

Final Fantasy X holds a special place in my heart because it is maybe the darkest FF plot which is skillfully undermined by it's bright colors and appeal. It's themes of the Price/Value of Hope, What Makes You You, and Afterlife are just superb. The localization is honestly not as bad as people make it out to be. It's just pretty anime in it's execution. Yuna is also my favorite Protaganist in the entire series. So FFX is definitely worth playing as well. FFX-2 is an acquired taste. It's bubblegum crisis Charlie's Angels motif turned many people off but on the surface it is actually one of the most well utilized forms of FF Job Change systems seen in entries like FF3. The storyline seems more light hearted than X but it digs deeper into the anals of FFX Spira's darker history. I think it's one fault is it's heavier reliance on mini-games and strict chapter based story progression (there is a percentage thing that has many many missables and it's annoying without a guide)



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:

Vaan and Penelo's purpose in the plot is that they represent the small normal commoners who are pulled and tugged by the whims of those above them.

I can see that, just to me, their characters never felt quite as filled out as the others. Penelo was only there because of Vaan getting her in trouble and Vaan felt like he didn't get it most the way through. I still never really use them in my play throughs and would swap Vaan out for Balthier in towns if I could (the true leading man).

ptofhearts said:

A new Vagrant Story with FFXII gameplay mixed with the original VS gameplay would be so cool. 

I played it later in life but could never get past a certain part, I think i got lost in where I was meant to go after the switching paths jungle thing (you know that lots of games have) so just kind stopped but the art style and gameplay of it was so good, especially for a PS1 game.



Hmm, pie.

No love for Knight + White Mage combo? (White robe + Excalibur, save on espers to unlock white magic)
Used more as a healer, than a tank....



ptofhearts said:
The Fury said:

It's a shame the Ivalice team/world seems to have been abandoned. Sure it's was made aware that FF14 is actually set there recently but FF12, Tactics and Vagrant Story is all we have of this connected world.

Would like for new Vagrant Story.

A new Vagrant Story with FFXII gameplay mixed with the original VS gameplay would be so cool. 

I love both Vangrant Story and FFXII but I personally would not like their gameplay styles to merge entirely.

VS had this almost Resident Evil/Castlevania like appeal of stalking through dank creepy castle but with a stronger emphasis or RPG elements. Parasite Eve had this same concept. The micro managing of Weapon degredation, body part damage, spell crafting was very unique and would just like that to continue in a VS2

I would like the FF series as a whole to merge FFXII and FFXIII's combat. I want it to be turnbased but still action flashy. The Cinematic angles FFXIII pulled when doing attacks was stellar, I would just prefer full control of the party still and full customization of their development.

Side Note

FF Tactics has the superior story.....but FF Tactics advanced shits all over it in the Gameplay department. I loved FFTA more over all with it's charm and strategy.

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The Fury said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Vaan and Penelo's purpose in the plot is that they represent the small normal commoners who are pulled and tugged by the whims of those above them.

I can see that, just to me, their characters never felt quite as filled out as the others. Penelo was only there because of Vaan getting her in trouble and Vaan felt like he didn't get it most the way through. I still never really use them in my play throughs and would swap Vaan out for Balthier in towns if I could (the true leading man).

My Vaan's Shikari/Time Mage combo almost never leaves my party now in the later stages of the game. His Haste spells, Being a stand in Tank or DD in a pinch is just so nice.

My usual party consists of Vaan(Shikari/Time), Ashe(Bushi/RedMage), and Balthier(BlackMage/Machinist). Note the only healer is relegated to Ashe partially but the nuance of this party is that all of them almost never get hit. Vaan and Ashe's evasion and parrying capabilities is top notch and Balthier stays effectively out of harms way. I often like to control the chaos from Balthier's pov so  can keep him a reasonable distance and ensure the others have Lure on them to control the hordes.

If that does become to hard to control I just swap Balthier for Penelo(Whit Mage/Archer) who stays equally out of harm but is actually quite OP with the bow.



      

      

      

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