Chazore said:
Nautilus said:
I understand why you are upset, but I dont get how this is setting a new "low" for Epic.They are doing the smart move in trying to overtake the pc space, and as the last few months has shown, its paying off for them.
In the example you gave about Valve buying Campo Santo and not making them exclusives to Steam, but your example is flawed.They didnt tie them up to a store because they didnt need to, they owned the market, for better or for worse.You need to understand that they are a company, and a company that butting heads with Valve, a ginat in the videogame market.They are not going to win the fight by being nice.It sucks that you are being get in the crossfire, but thats just how things are.
And honestly, 95% of the PC users dont care.At all.Its "mostly" the same if they buy from Valve or from Epic, because what they care about is the product, not the company.And honestly, service features, as Epic has been showing through their success, is less important than people think.I mean, its important, but its not a life or death situation, and the most important thing is, as we all knew ever since gaming was born, is that its the games that matter.
PC is finally catching up to the consoles wars, in a way.You may think thats bad, anmd I honestly dont care, but this is good for the consumers in the long run, because it stops Valve from being as lazy as they have been, and make companies be more competitive, and bring better products for us. |
1)The new low, is that they are targeting devs to poach, to then allow them to take their games off of Steam. This isn't a smart move at all. All this little childish "war" is doing, is splitting and creating a clear divide between those that side with Epic, and those that side with Valve. This isn't what the gaming industry needs, when has it ever needed such a vulgar and disgusting divide?.
2)Except no, I mentioned Santo because Valve are allowing them to make their games and still release elsewhere. Epic on the other hand, are taking an existing game, made well before this recent deal, off of Steam. Steam hasn't bought up Santo just to take their games off of other storefronts, that's the biggest difference here and if you cannot see that, then I'm sorry but I cannot help you at all in that matter.
3)I understand it perfectly. I understand what Epic is trying to do, and it is absolutely not in my best interests, or other gamers, who are currently still talking about what Epic is doing to the PC market. It may be good to you, but what of me, do I suddenly not matter at all?. If I did matter, then where does our little conundrum end?, with me leaving the PC space, because one company became so salty over a decade ago, about a platform that they couldn't control, which ended up with them feeling to a console, only to come back and try controlling that market all over again?.
4)Epic are actually worth more than Valve, in case you didn't already know. They have one of the world's most profitable games. They have one of the world's most used engines by a country mile, and they have more income support via another party, than Valve ever could, yet somehow, Valve are the biggest, if not largest company out there?. Naw man, that ain't it.
5)This isn't about being nice. Jesus man, I don't get any of you folk on here, or anywhere else, that see this sort of thing as healthy" or "normal", or "just business", like it's something that's just to be accepted and praised for. It makes me question what would you folk do if you had your very lives taken away, would you even bother fighting against something, even if you had very little chances (likely not, because you're seen here excusing practical bs in the face of anything else, summing it up with "it just happens").
6)Again, this isn't about being "Nice", this is about showing actual consumers, the lifeblood of many an industry, that they care, that they want your money, that they want to work for it in an honest manner, not some scrappy underhanded one. Are you not even aware of good business practices and tactics?, because if so, why haven't you tried to sum any up that Epic could use, instead of just falling back onto excusing the vulgar ones?.
7)This whole "it needs to happen" logic is borked, because why would it need to happen, when there are clearly other ways of doing business?. This whole "it can only be done this way" itself is flawed, because it doesn't. You just think it needs to, because you think you know how to run an open ended market, and think everyone would just accept it that way of being run (which I don't already).
8)You say 95%, but can you actually even lay a claim to that with evidence, apart from small sales data (that isn't entirely spun in such a way).
9)Can I ask you, are features not important to you?, because that would give me a good look into your mind if the answer is "no". I don't do fence sitter answers either, it's a simple yes or no answer.
10)I honestly don't care what logic is spun, in the defense of bad tactics. All I see is long term damage and a group of people, who aren't even a part of this side of the industry, telling me straight to my face, that this is "objectively good for you", without actually seeing into the future itself, but basing that entirely from personal knowledge, of a different market, one that isn't open ended and is entirely different in it's nature.
11)Valve are making games, but I'll say this. I Think Ubisoft are lazy in the way they design games and design PC ports, as well as them designing games I think are gutter trash, but guess what?, you think the same of Valve in terms of games you clearly don't like, so in that respect, I don't care what appeals to you, because you'll never care for what appeals to me.
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