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Is biological sex a social construct?

Yes 2 5.26%
 
No 36 94.74%
 
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fatslob-:O said:

It's impossible to be born without some reproductive organ ... 

Our current biological sex system is more than binary but still far from being a 'continuous' spectrum like some would imply ... 

Correct. But just because you have a reproductive organ, doesn't mean it falls inline with it being a male or female reproductive organ in terms of classification. Hence the "None of the above".



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Pemalite said:

Correct. But just because you have a reproductive organ, doesn't mean it falls inline with it being a male or female reproductive organ in terms of classification. Hence the "None of the above".

Pretty sure reproductive organs are mutually exclusive to the biological sex. We're never going to see exclusive males born with ovaries or exclusive females with testicles ... 

I don't think it's possible to have "none of the above" because even if we remove ovaries or testicles, there'll likely still be other associated tissues ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:

Correct. But just because you have a reproductive organ, doesn't mean it falls inline with it being a male or female reproductive organ in terms of classification. Hence the "None of the above".

Pretty sure reproductive organs are mutually exclusive to the biological sex. We're never going to see exclusive males born with ovaries or exclusive females with testicles ... 

I don't think it's possible to have "none of the above" because even if we remove ovaries or testicles, there'll likely still be other associated tissues ... 

You have the opposite sex's "associated tissues" regardless. You should take a look at how the fetus starts out and changes.

And you can have "males" born with ovaries and vice-versa.



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John2290 said:

They can live a lie all they want, even spread the lie. I don't care, what I do care about is trying to worm this shit into science through social means, the shaming of scientists and running them out of a job unless they conform to this thinking, even if they still practice empirically under the table is straight from the dark ages or something out of Orwell like literature and on the matter of written text, they'll come for the litriture next and the medical texts once they realize it contradicts thier beliefs before they eventually get full control of digital media, it's just a matter of time, the books will be destroyed or at least they'll try and make a case for it. This needs to be nibbed in the bud and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no chance and it is some high level social engineering or interstate subversion and bot, mind fuckery at play. 

So no, I don't think biological sex is a social construct, just writing that in a sentence is plain contradictory.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/18/barcelona-school-removes-200-sexist-childrens-books?__twitter_impression=true

God damn it, everytime I say some shit about them not been able to push it any further or a line they won't cross. They cross it, I give up. We are in a dystopia and in 10 years it'll look like a proper sci fi dystopia. 



 

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John2290 said:
John2290 said:

They can live a lie all they want, even spread the lie. I don't care, what I do care about is trying to worm this shit into science through social means, the shaming of scientists and running them out of a job unless they conform to this thinking, even if they still practice empirically under the table is straight from the dark ages or something out of Orwell like literature and on the matter of written text, they'll come for the litriture next and the medical texts once they realize it contradicts thier beliefs before they eventually get full control of digital media, it's just a matter of time, the books will be destroyed or at least they'll try and make a case for it. This needs to be nibbed in the bud and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no chance and it is some high level social engineering or interstate subversion and bot, mind fuckery at play. 

So no, I don't think biological sex is a social construct, just writing that in a sentence is plain contradictory.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/18/barcelona-school-removes-200-sexist-childrens-books?__twitter_impression=true

God damn it, everytime I say some shit about them not been able to push it any further or a line they won't cross. They cross it, I give up. We are in a dystopia and in 10 years it'll look like a proper sci fi dystopia. 

because you need to realise that the foundation is the idea that all must be rendered equal

all hierarchical structures must be knocked down

this is the motivating principle of the left and its the driving force behind all of this

that's the line, once you understand that then none of this should surprise you

that's what feminists are talking about when they talk about ending patriarchy, it started obviously with the reigning in of male control but its now evolved into "intersectionality", which has the goal of looking at the differences between people and disregarding them to make everybody equal

in a healthy society a compromise between both the left and the right produces a balance between inclusion and exclusion

but right now things are being tilted all the way over to the left so different aspects of society are becoming inclusive to the point of insanity

people on the left don't seem to be able to comprehend(and many are also simply alarmingly dishonest) that there actually is value in exclusion as there is in inclusion, that hierachies are actually needed and so on and so forth



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John2290 said:
John2290 said:

They can live a lie all they want, even spread the lie. I don't care, what I do care about is trying to worm this shit into science through social means, the shaming of scientists and running them out of a job unless they conform to this thinking, even if they still practice empirically under the table is straight from the dark ages or something out of Orwell like literature and on the matter of written text, they'll come for the litriture next and the medical texts once they realize it contradicts thier beliefs before they eventually get full control of digital media, it's just a matter of time, the books will be destroyed or at least they'll try and make a case for it. This needs to be nibbed in the bud and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no chance and it is some high level social engineering or interstate subversion and bot, mind fuckery at play. 

So no, I don't think biological sex is a social construct, just writing that in a sentence is plain contradictory.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/18/barcelona-school-removes-200-sexist-childrens-books?__twitter_impression=true

God damn it, everytime I say some shit about them not been able to push it any further or a line they won't cross. They cross it, I give up. We are in a dystopia and in 10 years it'll look like a proper sci fi dystopia. 

Why are you so upset by this? The school and parents thought that these books do not teach the right values to their little children so they got rid of the books. Every generation teaches their children differently and if you think this is a new phenomenon than you're wrong, the Grimm brothers, who gathered many of the fairy tales you know today, changed and censored the stories they put into the book because they were too violent for little children, they also refused to put in some fairy tales, like the Puss in Boots, because they were not german enougth for them



I feel like the words gender and sex are getting confused in this conversation.



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melbye said:
How can observable fact be a social construct. There are men, there are women. It has to be like this from a biologically point of view

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vivster said:
Badly written and almost hits the point. But yet another piece that focuses on differences rather than the similar things. biological sexes aren't a social construct but the genders people attach to them sure are. They were useful 10000 years ago and have since outlived their usefulness. Gender and sexuality shouldn't be categorized in the first place. We should enter this world as just humans with different physiological features and preferences. There aren't men who are women or vice versa and there certainly is no such thing as "gender fluid". There are just people who decided to live in certain ways and may or may not have chosen to alter their bodies. The flimsy definitions of what constitutes masculine and feminine are ridiculous and anyone who adheres to them to a point where they define their personality on them is pitiful.

so i can infer that you would be in support of peeling away all of the rights and special protections women have due to their gender?

"The flimsy definitions of what constitutes masculine and feminine are ridiculous"

elaborate?

"anyone who adheres to them to a point where they define their personality on them is pitiful."

so women who lament going out at night alone because they perceive themselves as being more susceptible to harm from men are pitiful?

Which rights and protections that women have and are not based on their biological features do you mean?

All definitions for masculine and feminine traits are arbitrary psychological traits and preferences that can absolutely apply to both biological genders. Take fashion as a simple example. Calling a man feminine because he likes to wear high heals and dresses is just as wrong as calling a woman masculine just because she likes to do body building. They are empty classifications that don't mean anything and are just used to divide and single out people.

Women who lament that just because they are women are simply wrong. Being vulnerable applies to all humans that fall into that category. Anyone can be attacked when alone at night. Calling for special attention to just one biological gender is a slap into the face of everyone else. Everyone deserves protection.



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You can't say something that's rooted in fact by scientific and empirical evidence to be a "social construct". It just doesn't work that way, because society doesn't dictate your sex; your DNA/genes do.

Congratulations - you just completed your Gender Studies curriculum and you may collect your bachelors degree at your nearest common sense facility.