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Keybladewielder said:
HylianSwordsman said:

I don't understand why it upsets you people so much. I guess I'm not a true KH fan then because I've offended your sensibilities. Knock off the gatekeeping.

And read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off_(media)

And show that you read it. Unlike your friend Nautilus up there.

The thing is that no matter what you think and no matter what wikipedia says, the non-numbered titles (aside from Coded) are considered mainline by both the creator AND the fans. No matter what you say, that won't change, you can keep linking that wikipedia page all you want but what the creator says and the consensus among the fan base is that the non-numbered titles ARE MAINLINE TITLES.

Except that I'm a fan too. There you go gatekeeping again. It is literally a spinoff by definition whether you like it or not. It's objective fact based on the definition of spinoff. That's just what a spinoff is. You can't redefine that to make yourself right in this situation. Speaking of which, why are you so determined to be right here?

Why are you fighting this so hard? What's in it for you? The satisfaction that you're a true KH fan and you defended its honor from a meanie on the internet that loves all the games but considers some of them side stories? Just let me have my view. I know I won't convince you otherwise, even though my view is based on a definition and yours is based on your emotional attachment to the side story games and the fear that if they're spinoffs that somehow delegitimizes them, but if you love the side story games, just love them and stop worrying about it. I'm right there loving them with you.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Nautilus said:

Oh I did.

Liar. Prove it.

Prove that I didnt.



Nautilus said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Liar. Prove it.

Prove that I didnt.

You could argue that Verizon cell phone game was a spin-off.

That said, none of the other games released could be considered "spin-offs", since they all tell an integral part of a larger over-arching story. It's like trying to say anything that isn't Avengers-branded is an MCU spin-off.



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Azuren said:
Nautilus said:

Prove that I didnt.

You could argue that Verizon cell phone game was a spin-off.

That said, none of the other games released could be considered "spin-offs", since they all tell an integral part of a larger over-arching story. It's like trying to say anything that isn't Avengers-branded is an MCU spin-off.

And I agree with you.Its the other user that thinks that when a game dont have a number next to it, it is to be considered a spin off.



Azuren said:
Nautilus said:

Prove that I didnt.

You could argue that Verizon cell phone game was a spin-off.

That said, none of the other games released could be considered "spin-offs", since they all tell an integral part of a larger over-arching story. It's like trying to say anything that isn't Avengers-branded is an MCU spin-off.

The main 3 games tell the story of the main character Sora in his battle against the main villain. The side stories are well integrated into the main story, but they are still side stories. Even the article I cited used Kingdom Hearts as an example of a series with tons of spin-offs. 

And no, your MCU example doesn't work. MCU is a universe. If Avengers were the main series, then yes, the Iron man movies, Captain America movies, etc would all be spinoffs of Avengers. They all take place within the MCU. If you don't consider Avengers the main series, but just a series that takes place within the MCU, then all the series are just IPs with stories that interrelate. Harry Potter would be another interesting example here. The first 8 movies were a standalone series, and then the "Fantastic Beasts" series was made, which is a spinoff to the first series, even though it contains story details related to events in the first series.

What I don't get is why everyone is so damn upset by this. Who cares how the games are classified? That doesn't decrease their legitimacy, or their fun.



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Nautilus said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Liar. Prove it.

Prove that I didnt.

If that's the level of discourse you're sinking to, I don't need to.



HylianSwordsman said:
Azuren said:

You could argue that Verizon cell phone game was a spin-off.

That said, none of the other games released could be considered "spin-offs", since they all tell an integral part of a larger over-arching story. It's like trying to say anything that isn't Avengers-branded is an MCU spin-off.

The main 3 games tell the story of the main character Sora in his battle against the main villain. The side stories are well integrated into the main story, but they are still side stories. Even the article I cited used Kingdom Hearts as an example of a series with tons of spin-offs. 

And no, your MCU example doesn't work. MCU is a universe. If Avengers were the main series, then yes, the Iron man movies, Captain America movies, etc would all be spinoffs of Avengers. They all take place within the MCU. If you don't consider Avengers the main series, but just a series that takes place within the MCU, then all the series are just IPs with stories that interrelate. Harry Potter would be another interesting example here. The first 8 movies were a standalone series, and then the "Fantastic Beasts" series was made, which is a spinoff to the first series, even though it contains story details related to events in the first series.

What I don't get is why everyone is so damn upset by this. Who cares how the games are classified? That doesn't decrease their legitimacy, or their fun.

The three numbered titles tell the perspective of Sora in a much larger plot that, especially in KH3, requires the context of the non-numbered titles.

Those "side stories" aren't side stories. They're integral, especially to KH3. There are literal hours of that game that makes zero sense without playing the non-numbered titles.

There's literally not a single part of the MCU analogy that doesn't work. They're different sections of the same story in the same universe about different characters that all coalesce into a single story about the same overarching plot. Outside of the non-canon Verizon game I mentioned, the only title that even comes close to qualifying as a "spin off" is Union X, but the events of KH3 have shown more now than ever that Union X is setting the series up for the next arc.

Because when people think about spin-offs, they think about junk like Raving Rabids, Fable II Pub Games, and Shadow the Hedgehog.



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Azuren said:
HylianSwordsman said:

The main 3 games tell the story of the main character Sora in his battle against the main villain. The side stories are well integrated into the main story, but they are still side stories. Even the article I cited used Kingdom Hearts as an example of a series with tons of spin-offs. 

And no, your MCU example doesn't work. MCU is a universe. If Avengers were the main series, then yes, the Iron man movies, Captain America movies, etc would all be spinoffs of Avengers. They all take place within the MCU. If you don't consider Avengers the main series, but just a series that takes place within the MCU, then all the series are just IPs with stories that interrelate. Harry Potter would be another interesting example here. The first 8 movies were a standalone series, and then the "Fantastic Beasts" series was made, which is a spinoff to the first series, even though it contains story details related to events in the first series.

What I don't get is why everyone is so damn upset by this. Who cares how the games are classified? That doesn't decrease their legitimacy, or their fun.

The three numbered titles tell the perspective of Sora in a much larger plot that, especially in KH3, requires the context of the non-numbered titles.

Those "side stories" aren't side stories. They're integral, especially to KH3. There are literal hours of that game that makes zero sense without playing the non-numbered titles.

There's literally not a single part of the MCU analogy that doesn't work. They're different sections of the same story in the same universe about different characters that all coalesce into a single story about the same overarching plot. Outside of the non-canon Verizon game I mentioned, the only title that even comes close to qualifying as a "spin off" is Union X, but the events of KH3 have shown more now than ever that Union X is setting the series up for the next arc.

Because when people think about spin-offs, they think about junk like Raving Rabids, Fable II Pub Games, and Shadow the Hedgehog.

Well that's just not what spinoffs means, dude. Sorry. And side stories can have important plot points that inform your understanding of the main story, that doesn't stop them from being side stories. And no, MCU isn't "different sections of the same story". They're different series. You don't have to watch any of them to understand the Avengers series. You don't have to watch any series within the MCU to understand any other series. That's why the MCU does so well.

Also, you undermine your own point by including Shadow the Hedgehog. It's a spinoff, but it includes story points that intertwine with the story points of SA2. Spinoff also aren't junk. Is that why this upsets you so much? Because you think spinoff inherently means junk? Luigi's Mansion, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart, all the Metroidvania-style Castlevanias, Persona, Mega Man X, Donkey Kong Country, for that matter even Super Mario Bros. (also technically a spinoff of Donkey Kong) were all spinoffs that became their own much beloved game series. I'm not trying to undermine some of my favorite Kingdom Hearts games by calling them spinoffs. I'm just saying I wish the presentation was different, and no, not just with a superficial numbering system.



HylianSwordsman said:
Nautilus said:

Prove that I didnt.

If that's the level of discourse you're sinking to, I don't need to.

LOL

You are saying that its as if I started it... oh wait...



Many of the Entries of KH games after 2 feel like Assassin's Creed level of "Spin off but A sequel but not". Those games wore the continuity out way too thin. And the a few elements they did add in are so boisterously convoluted they muddle the experience of KH3 once we finally got there. I am not alone in saying KH3 was a massive disappointment in the story department mostly due to the plot threads added in from all those portable titles. My company's stores have massive amounts of trade ins with most people reflecting some level of dissatisfaction with the game.

Spin Off or not, the bouncing between different platforms greatly hampered gamer's ability to keep up with what was happening in the story, and releasing mega collections for the PS3/4 only partially remedied that because the threads just don't come together neatly at all.

The lack of FF characters in KH3 really was the killing blow for me. I got into the series for the FF, not the Disney. Albeit I will say the Disney element is as solid as ever in KH3. The omission of so many staples to the MAIN series like the Colesium and Sephiroth battle just really frustrates me. You might subscribe to Nomura's excuse of "focus", but I have the strong hunch we will see some of this appear as paid DLC and that is just criminal when KH3 has decidedly less content then previous entries, even the handheld ones.



      

      

      

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