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paulrage2 said:

24 million PS3s was sold at loss, the other 63 million was profitable. Sony also did a lot of money with games sold and PS Plus since 2010. Mark Cerny already said that PS4 would never happen if PS3 didn't maked success. WiiU was a total desaster.

The only success PS3 had is developing IP's like Uncharted and TLOU, maintaining a fanbase/userbase and pushing Sony's Bluray Format. Financially it was a disaster. During the PS3 generation PlayStation had an Operating LOSS of $3.59 Billion. They did make small profits towards the end with FY2010 and FY2011 but hardly could be called a lot of money. What is impressive is the profit in FY2018 alone wiped out 80% of the loss from the PS3 generation, and the PS4 generation will end with roughly a $9.5 Billion profit.

PS1 Generation : $3.42 Billion Profit (April 1st 1995 to March 31st 2000)
PS2 Generation : $2.39 Billion Profit (April 1st 2000 to March 31st 2006)
PS3 Generation : $3.59 Billion LOSS (April 1st 2006 to March 31st 2013)
PS4 Generation : $6.83 Billion Profit (April 1st 2013 to March 31st 2019)

Sony Games & Network Services Operating Profit

FY1995 : -$0.08 Billion         (April 1st 1995 to March 31st 1996)
FY1996 : +$0.51 Billion        (April 1st 1996 to March 31st 1997)     
FY1997 : +$1.05 Billion        (April 1st 1997 to March 31st 1998)
FY1998 : +$1.24 Billion        (April 1st 1998 to March 31st 1999)
FY1999 : +$0.70 Billion        (April 1st 1999 to March 31st 2000)
FY2000 : -$0.47 Billion         (April 1st 2000 to March 31st 2001)
FY2001 : +$0.75 Billion        (April 1st 2001 to March 31st 2002)
FY2002 : +$1.02 Billion        (April 1st 2002 to March 31st 2003)
FY2003 : +$0.62 Billion        (April 1st 2003 to March 31st 2004)
FY2004 : +$0.39 Billion        (April 1st 2004 to March 31st 2005)
FY2005 : +$0.08 Billion        (April 1st 2005 to March 31st 2006)
FY2006 : -$2.11 Billion         (April 1st 2006 to March 31st 2007)
FY2007 : -$1.13 Billion         (April 1st 2007 to March 31st 2008)
FY2008 : -$0.53 Billion         (April 1st 2008 to March 31st 2009)
FY2009 : -$0.50 Billion         (April 1st 2009 to March 31st 2010)
FY2010 : +$0.44 Billion        (April 1st 2010 to March 31st 2011)
FY2011 : +$0.27 Billion        (April 1st 2011 to March 31st 2012)
FY2012 : -$0.03 Billion         (April 1st 2012 to March 31st 2013)
FY2013 : -$0.17 Billion         (April 1st 2013 to March 31st 2014)
FY2014 : +$0.44 Billion        (April 1st 2014 to March 31st 2015)
FY2015 : +$0.82 Billion        (April 1st 2015 to March 31st 2016)
FY2016 : +$1.25 Billion        (April 1st 2016 to March 31st 2017)
FY2017 : +$1.62 Billion        (April 1st 2017 to March 31st 2018)
FY2018 : +$2.87 Billion        (April 1st 2018 to March 31st 2019)



Predictions (Made July 2019)

LTD: PS4 - 130m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 52m       2019 : PS4 - 15m, Switch - 18.8m, XBO - 4.8m        2020: Switch - 22m (Peak Year)


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Barkley said:
paulrage2 said:

24 million PS3s was sold at loss, the other 63 million was profitable. Sony also did a lot of money with games sold and PS Plus since 2010. Mark Cerny already said that PS4 would never happen if PS3 didn't maked success. WiiU was a total desaster.

The only success PS3 had is developing IP's like Uncharted and TLOU, maintaining a fanbase/userbase and pushing Sony's Bluray Format. Financially it was a disaster. During the PS3 generation PlayStation had an Operating LOSS of $3.59 Billion. They did make small profits towards the end with FY2010 and FY2011 but hardly could be called a lot of money. What is impressive is the profit in FY2018 alone wiped out 80% of the loss from the PS3 generation, and the PS4 generation will end with roughly a $9.5 Billion profit.

PS1 Generation : $3.42 Billion Profit (April 1st 1995 to March 31st 2000)
PS2 Generation : $2.39 Billion Profit (April 1st 2000 to March 31st 2006)
PS3 Generation : $3.59 Billion LOSS (April 1st 2006 to March 31st 2013)
PS4 Generation : $6.83 Billion Profit (April 1st 2013 to March 31st 2019)

Sony Games & Network Services Operating Profit

FY1995 : -$0.08 Billion         (April 1st 1995 to March 31st 1996)
FY1996 : +$0.51 Billion        (April 1st 1996 to March 31st 1997)     
FY1997 : +$1.05 Billion        (April 1st 1997 to March 31st 1998)
FY1998 : +$1.24 Billion        (April 1st 1998 to March 31st 1999)
FY1999 : +$0.70 Billion        (April 1st 1999 to March 31st 2000)
FY2000 : -$0.47 Billion         (April 1st 2000 to March 31st 2001)
FY2001 : +$0.75 Billion        (April 1st 2001 to March 31st 2002)
FY2002 : +$1.02 Billion        (April 1st 2002 to March 31st 2003)
FY2003 : +$0.62 Billion        (April 1st 2003 to March 31st 2004)
FY2004 : +$0.39 Billion        (April 1st 2004 to March 31st 2005)
FY2005 : +$0.08 Billion        (April 1st 2005 to March 31st 2006)
FY2006 : -$2.11 Billion         (April 1st 2006 to March 31st 2007)
FY2007 : -$1.13 Billion         (April 1st 2007 to March 31st 2008)
FY2008 : -$0.53 Billion         (April 1st 2008 to March 31st 2009)
FY2009 : -$0.50 Billion         (April 1st 2009 to March 31st 2010)
FY2010 : +$0.44 Billion        (April 1st 2010 to March 31st 2011)
FY2011 : +$0.27 Billion        (April 1st 2011 to March 31st 2012)
FY2012 : -$0.03 Billion         (April 1st 2012 to March 31st 2013)
FY2013 : -$0.17 Billion         (April 1st 2013 to March 31st 2014)
FY2014 : +$0.44 Billion        (April 1st 2014 to March 31st 2015)
FY2015 : +$0.82 Billion        (April 1st 2015 to March 31st 2016)
FY2016 : +$1.25 Billion        (April 1st 2016 to March 31st 2017)
FY2017 : +$1.62 Billion        (April 1st 2017 to March 31st 2018)
FY2018 : +$2.87 Billion        (April 1st 2018 to March 31st 2019)

While this is true every new generation, the end of the PS3 generation had much less profit in the most profitable years due to significant R&D to the Vita in 2011 and PS4 in 2013.

The PS1 gen only had to deal with the PS2 in FY00/01m and as clearly shown in the graph it appears that the PS2 made less profit than the PS1. But it also had significant R&D for 2 consoles in the PSP at 2004 and PS3 in 2006.

So while these numbers are quite factual, it doesn't mean that all losses can be directly attributed to a certain console.



Eagle367 said:

I was mistaken then. But overall, we can agree that the PS4 was a financial disaster while the Wii U was a sales disaster. In the end both really didn't bog down the success of their successors (pun intended). I'm glad the switch and the PS4 both have so much potential that they can reach 100mil. PS4 is guaranteed at this point and I hope the switch follows through as well.

Yea, while Sony regained goodwill/trust through late gen support, Nintendo managed to shake off the WiiU's misfortune with a very compelling concept and ofcourse blockbuster games right out of the gate. The Switch definitely has the 100m potential, but reaching that number will in my opinion heavily depend on how long it will be the primary Nintendo system on the market - if there is a clear successor ("gens" might become pretty hazy in the next decade with streaming/forward compatibility etc) after 5 years it might just miss out.



Lafiel said:
Eagle367 said:

I was mistaken then. But overall, we can agree that the PS4 was a financial disaster while the Wii U was a sales disaster. In the end both really didn't bog down the success of their successors (pun intended). I'm glad the switch and the PS4 both have so much potential that they can reach 100mil. PS4 is guaranteed at this point and I hope the switch follows through as well.

Yea, while Sony regained goodwill/trust through late gen support, Nintendo managed to shake off the WiiU's misfortune with a very compelling concept and ofcourse blockbuster games right out of the gate. The Switch definitely has the 100m potential, but reaching that number will in my opinion heavily depend on how long it will be the primary Nintendo system on the market - if there is a clear successor ("gens" might become pretty hazy in the next decade with streaming/forward compatibility etc) after 5 years it might just miss out.

I think that ninty might make the switch longer like maybe 7-8 years. They can have a pro revision that could extend the life of the console. Console gens matter less and less and console cycles are lasting longer and longer so who knows. It's upto ninty either way and how much they make this year count especially



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