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Eagle367 said:
outlawauron said:

Impossible to prove. Whenever Nintendo has had a very unsuccessful console, they had a handheld doing very well and making lots of money. It has covered up the detrimental impact of the console. Even the PSP to a degree made PS3 look better than it was.

Actually not at all for Nintendo. Because even in their worst hour, they never stopped giving numbers. So if you crunch in the numbers for all of the 3ds hardware and software and take them out of the equation plus the other stuff ninty spent money on, you can tell how much of it the Wii U was eating up. And have you seen the charts of Sony when PS3 was selling Vs now? And the same for Ninty with Wii U. Ninty was always close to 0 with little losses while Sony's gap was huge. Ninty are just better at managing their business when their consoles fail than Sony are, which is why we're lucky they are so good at marketing their consoles. Otherwise PS and possibly Sony would die out. If you want to actually dig deep, it is not only possible but also probable that you can prove or disprove my hypothesis.

When PS3 costed (lost) 200 per console, selling 80+M will be a much bigger loss than the 15M sold by WiiU.

Still, people will have a lot of good games and follow through to PS4 because of it, while WiiU wants to be forgotten.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

Actually not at all for Nintendo. Because even in their worst hour, they never stopped giving numbers. So if you crunch in the numbers for all of the 3ds hardware and software and take them out of the equation plus the other stuff ninty spent money on, you can tell how much of it the Wii U was eating up. And have you seen the charts of Sony when PS3 was selling Vs now? And the same for Ninty with Wii U. Ninty was always close to 0 with little losses while Sony's gap was huge. Ninty are just better at managing their business when their consoles fail than Sony are, which is why we're lucky they are so good at marketing their consoles. Otherwise PS and possibly Sony would die out. If you want to actually dig deep, it is not only possible but also probable that you can prove or disprove my hypothesis.

When PS3 costed (lost) 200 per console, selling 80+M will be a much bigger loss than the 15M sold by WiiU.

Still, people will have a lot of good games and follow through to PS4 because of it, while WiiU wants to be forgotten.

That would be an effective argument had the switch not sold well because of the Wii U or people who bought the Wii U loving it as a console. It's a much smaller group of people than the PS3 and of course not a 100% love it but still ultimately as we are discussing business and sales, I think Ninty's strategy was much more effective than Sony's. Ninty lost less money, recovering in a couple years time what they lost, showed they still can make a successful console, is recovering third party support which it lost, gained a lot of trust and goodwill from the indies during the Wii U era and still produced quality games which the fans adored and not all of them are yet on the switch for a bigger audience. Hell some games just can't be as good as they were on the Wii U like zombiU or Rayman legends. It was a dark time for sure but never a 100% negative time. The wiiU taught ninty some really important lessons and helped Ninty in some subtle ways which people fail to acknowledge.

But ultimately the past is behind us and we can look back at both consoles as something that people who bought them adored for the most part while their successors are huge successes for the companies, console gaming and gamers alike. I hope the console marker stays strong especially against the upcoming streaming competition and PS5, neXtbox and switch 2(probably?) are all successful consoles that improve our gaming experience and deliver awesome games



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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

When PS3 costed (lost) 200 per console, selling 80+M will be a much bigger loss than the 15M sold by WiiU.

Still, people will have a lot of good games and follow through to PS4 because of it, while WiiU wants to be forgotten.

That would be an effective argument had the switch not sold well because of the Wii U or people who bought the Wii U loving it as a console. It's a much smaller group of people than the PS3 and of course not a 100% love it but still ultimately as we are discussing business and sales, I think Ninty's strategy was much more effective than Sony's. Ninty lost less money, recovering in a couple years time what they lost, showed they still can make a successful console, is recovering third party support which it lost, gained a lot of trust and goodwill from the indies during the Wii U era and still produced quality games which the fans adored and not all of them are yet on the switch for a bigger audience. Hell some games just can't be as good as they were on the Wii U like zombiU or Rayman legends. It was a dark time for sure but never a 100% negative time. The wiiU taught ninty some really important lessons and helped Ninty in some subtle ways which people fail to acknowledge.

But ultimately the past is behind us and we can look back at both consoles as something that people who bought them adored for the most part while their successors are huge successes for the companies, console gaming and gamers alike. I hope the console marker stays strong especially against the upcoming streaming competition and PS5, neXtbox and switch 2(probably?) are all successful consoles that improve our gaming experience and deliver awesome games

It was asked why PS3 is considered a bigger money loser, that is the explication.

And for the Switch, you can be sure most of the sales come from the HH folks. Besides Wii that had the blue ocean new market since SNES no console from Nintendo had sold more than 40M.

So the people buying Switch aren't doing it because they loved WiiU (well even if they did, that wouldn't be more than 15M of Switch sales).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

That would be an effective argument had the switch not sold well because of the Wii U or people who bought the Wii U loving it as a console. It's a much smaller group of people than the PS3 and of course not a 100% love it but still ultimately as we are discussing business and sales, I think Ninty's strategy was much more effective than Sony's. Ninty lost less money, recovering in a couple years time what they lost, showed they still can make a successful console, is recovering third party support which it lost, gained a lot of trust and goodwill from the indies during the Wii U era and still produced quality games which the fans adored and not all of them are yet on the switch for a bigger audience. Hell some games just can't be as good as they were on the Wii U like zombiU or Rayman legends. It was a dark time for sure but never a 100% negative time. The wiiU taught ninty some really important lessons and helped Ninty in some subtle ways which people fail to acknowledge.

But ultimately the past is behind us and we can look back at both consoles as something that people who bought them adored for the most part while their successors are huge successes for the companies, console gaming and gamers alike. I hope the console marker stays strong especially against the upcoming streaming competition and PS5, neXtbox and switch 2(probably?) are all successful consoles that improve our gaming experience and deliver awesome games

It was asked why PS3 is considered a bigger money loser, that is the explication.

And for the Switch, you can be sure most of the sales come from the HH folks. Besides Wii that had the blue ocean new market since SNES no console from Nintendo had sold more than 40M.

So the people buying Switch aren't doing it because they loved WiiU (well even if they did, that wouldn't be more than 15M of Switch sales).

And? I never said people are buying the switch because they loved Wii U. You said that people were buying the PS4 because they loved PS3 and I'm just pointing out the previous gen really doesn't matter all that much. The people are buying the PS4 and switch because of their own merits and not their predecessors good and bad points. My question was more of a statement rather than a question in what sort of business decisions was Sony making at the time. It was a stupid decision



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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

It was asked why PS3 is considered a bigger money loser, that is the explication.

And for the Switch, you can be sure most of the sales come from the HH folks. Besides Wii that had the blue ocean new market since SNES no console from Nintendo had sold more than 40M.

So the people buying Switch aren't doing it because they loved WiiU (well even if they did, that wouldn't be more than 15M of Switch sales).

And? I never said people are buying the switch because they loved Wii U. You said that people were buying the PS4 because they loved PS3 and I'm just pointing out the previous gen really doesn't matter all that much. The people are buying the PS4 and switch because of their own merits and not their predecessors good and bad points. My question was more of a statement rather than a question in what sort of business decisions was Sony making at the time. It was a stupid decision

But you fail to see that a lot of early adopters of PS4 came from PS3 end days being good.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

Actually not at all for Nintendo. Because even in their worst hour, they never stopped giving numbers. So if you crunch in the numbers for all of the 3ds hardware and software and take them out of the equation plus the other stuff ninty spent money on, you can tell how much of it the Wii U was eating up. And have you seen the charts of Sony when PS3 was selling Vs now? And the same for Ninty with Wii U. Ninty was always close to 0 with little losses while Sony's gap was huge. Ninty are just better at managing their business when their consoles fail than Sony are, which is why we're lucky they are so good at marketing their consoles. Otherwise PS and possibly Sony would die out. If you want to actually dig deep, it is not only possible but also probable that you can prove or disprove my hypothesis.

When PS3 costed (lost) 200 per console, selling 80+M will be a much bigger loss than the 15M sold by WiiU.

Still, people will have a lot of good games and follow through to PS4 because of it, while WiiU wants to be forgotten.

The Wii U hasn't been forgotten though, because it was an evolutionary step towards the creation of the Switch.  The touchscreen of the Gamepad lives on in the Switch.  The ability to continue your console game if your wife/other wants to use the TV lives on in the Switch.  Successful new IP's born on the Wii U continue on the Switch with Splatoon 2 enjoying great sales and Mario Maker 2 being highly anticipated.  The amount of Wii U games that have been ported to the Switch and are selling well show that the Wii U had "a lot of good games" as well.  The Switch is basically a more streamlined Gamepad that has been fully liberated from it's tether to proximity to your TV if you need it to be.



DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

Actually not at all for Nintendo. Because even in their worst hour, they never stopped giving numbers. So if you crunch in the numbers for all of the 3ds hardware and software and take them out of the equation plus the other stuff ninty spent money on, you can tell how much of it the Wii U was eating up. And have you seen the charts of Sony when PS3 was selling Vs now? And the same for Ninty with Wii U. Ninty was always close to 0 with little losses while Sony's gap was huge. Ninty are just better at managing their business when their consoles fail than Sony are, which is why we're lucky they are so good at marketing their consoles. Otherwise PS and possibly Sony would die out. If you want to actually dig deep, it is not only possible but also probable that you can prove or disprove my hypothesis.

When PS3 costed (lost) 200 per console, selling 80+M will be a much bigger loss than the 15M sold by WiiU.

Still, people will have a lot of good games and follow through to PS4 because of it, while WiiU wants to be forgotten.

The PS3 Slim costs production was about $ 240 and the company was selling for 299. Sony lost money until release PS3 slim, after this every console sold was a surplus. PS3 sold 1 billion software and left a great legacy for PS4. When Sony released the PS3 slim the numbers at the time was only about 24 million units. But theres no denie that the console was Sony biggest mistake.