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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

I find it absolutely baffling that there are still people projecting Switch to sell on par or worse than 3DS.

3DS needed an emergency price cut to $170 within a year of launching, and by this point in its life had already gotten a hardware revision, yet the Switch is still tracking ahead of it at $300 with no revisions as of yet.

To sell less than 3DS Switch would've had to have sold almost half its entire lifetime sales already, before any price cuts, before any revisions, before core Pokemon, Animal Crossing...

It makes no rational sense.

We have people that still believe PS4 won't cross 100M sales, and also have people that expect every star to align for Switch to have the best outcome possible. Don't mock people just because they don't agree with you.

I didn't mock anybody. I simply pointed out how logically flawed claims that Switch will sell the same or less than 3DS are.



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sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

We have people that still believe PS4 won't cross 100M sales, and also have people that expect every star to align for Switch to have the best outcome possible. Don't mock people just because they don't agree with you.

I don't really see any mocking.  Worse he said was is that doesn't make rational sense.  If you take offense to that then you must be very sheltered.

I don't take offense in it. But it is a totally condescending way of talking about people. It really is similar to call them dumb.

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

We have people that still believe PS4 won't cross 100M sales, and also have people that expect every star to align for Switch to have the best outcome possible. Don't mock people just because they don't agree with you.

I didn't mock anybody. I simply pointed out how logically flawed claims that Switch will sell the same or less than 3DS are.

There is a big gap between saying something is wrong or doesn't seem likely to being "absolutely baffled that there are still people", which basically is inferring their are dumb for thinking like that.

And saying a group of people doesn't make rational sense is akin to also saying they are dumb, just on a little more polite way.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
I don't take offense in it. But it is a totally condescending way of talking about people. It really is similar to call them dumb.
curl-6 said:

I didn't mock anybody. I simply pointed out how logically flawed claims that Switch will sell the same or less than 3DS are.

There is a big gap between saying something is wrong or doesn't seem likely to being "absolutely baffled that there are still people", which basically is inferring their are dumb for thinking like that.

And saying a group of people doesn't make rational sense is akin to also saying they are dumb, just on a little more polite way.

If an argument lacks logical merit, that argument will be naturally be challenged and criticized. I didn't call anybody "dumb", I merely pointed out that a particular position is currently in contradiction to almost all of the available evidence, and hence voiced my confusion that so many would still hold such a position. Why they chose to do so is not for me to say, you'd have to ask them.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 08 May 2019

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:
I don't take offense in it. But it is a totally condescending way of talking about people. It really is similar to call them dumb.

There is a big gap between saying something is wrong or doesn't seem likely to being "absolutely baffled that there are still people", which basically is inferring their are dumb for thinking like that.

And saying a group of people doesn't make rational sense is akin to also saying they are dumb, just on a little more polite way.

If an argument lacks logical merit, that argument will be naturally be challenged and criticized. I didn't call anybody "dumb", I merely pointed out that a particular position is currently in contradiction to almost all of the available evidence, and hence voiced my confusion that so many would still hold such a position. Why they chose to do so is not for me to say, you'd have to ask them.

You don't need or have to say a point is illogical or that it lacks logic, as you also don't need to attack person but points.

Pointing what contradicts a point is enough, no need to classify the point of someone else. And again it wasn't only saying it lacked logic but then putting how you are baffled that someone would think like that. You may not admit it, but it sounds very condescending.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

You don't need or have to say a point is illogical or that it lacks logic, as you also don't need to attack person but points.

Pointing what contradicts a point is enough, no need to classify the point of someone else. And again it wasn't only saying it lacked logic but then putting how you are baffled that someone would think like that. You may not admit it, but it sounds very condescending.

It's fine if it sounds condescending, because that's natural when words with negative connotations are being used.

Well as long as the person accept that is what he is doing then I have no issue.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

If an argument lacks logical merit, that argument will be naturally be challenged and criticized. I didn't call anybody "dumb", I merely pointed out that a particular position is currently in contradiction to almost all of the available evidence, and hence voiced my confusion that so many would still hold such a position. Why they chose to do so is not for me to say, you'd have to ask them.

You don't need or have to say a point is illogical or that it lacks logic, as you also don't need to attack person but points.

Pointing what contradicts a point is enough, no need to classify the point of someone else. And again it wasn't only saying it lacked logic but then putting how you are baffled that someone would think like that. You may not admit it, but it sounds very condescending.

If you find me condescending, fair enough; you are entitled to that opinion.

But if an argument is logically deficient, I'm going to point it out as such. Arguments are not a protected species exempt from criticism.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 08 May 2019

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

You don't need or have to say a point is illogical or that it lacks logic, as you also don't need to attack person but points.

Pointing what contradicts a point is enough, no need to classify the point of someone else. And again it wasn't only saying it lacked logic but then putting how you are baffled that someone would think like that. You may not admit it, but it sounds very condescending.

If you find me condescending, fair enough; you are entitled to that opinion.

But if an argument is logically deficient, I'm going to point it out as such. Arguments are not a protected species exempt from criticism.

Attacking an argument is totally fine, and you do that with another argument and data, without any need to classify the argument because that doesn't have any value in the end.

It is equivalent to me saying your argument is dumb thus you are wrong. That doesn't prove anything, while your reasoning of why the argument was wrong were much better.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

Attacking an argument is totally fine, and you do that with another argument and data, without any need to classify the argument because that doesn't have any value in the end.

It is equivalent to me saying your argument is dumb thus you are wrong. That doesn't prove anything, while your reasoning of why the argument was wrong were much better.

I consider it hypocritical of you that you are vocal against mocking and condescension in this thread while you are concurrently behaving like this in a different thread, specifically the middle section of the linked post.

Consider what you want. I didn't said he was dumb nor that his argument was illogical, I countered with why the argument was wrong and said that if same line was followed analyzing PS4 then it would have to sell to much.

And there is also a difference between discussing with one user that a sales projection is wrong on the basis used (X1 would sell 70M solely on merit of GTA 6 launching for it, and 80+M if it also had a good reveal) than saying all projections for the future that are bellow 80M are so wrong that you are utmostly baffled. One is analyzing the past and making a very objectively wrong assumption (60% increase in sales due to a single game launch, when the predecessor game already launched on it even if crossgen) while the other is generalizing and ignoring any point made by different people of why they think the console would sell 80 instead of 100M.

Also I have nothing against mocking people, I would even encourage (not here because it is against the rules, and discussion also doesn't involve mockery), but the person doing it must acknowledge he is doing.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Lower hardware sales than I expected.
Guess they overshipped in past quarters. Still, very good numbers and my favorite console.



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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

If you find me condescending, fair enough; you are entitled to that opinion.

But if an argument is logically deficient, I'm going to point it out as such. Arguments are not a protected species exempt from criticism.

Attacking an argument is totally fine, and you do that with another argument and data, without any need to classify the argument because that doesn't have any value in the end.

It is equivalent to me saying your argument is dumb thus you are wrong. That doesn't prove anything, while your reasoning of why the argument was wrong were much better.

If an argument is illogical, then I will point out that it is illogical, and use evidence and examples to demonstrate why it is illogical, which is exactly what I did.

If you have a problem with that, then, sorry to come off as rude, but that's your problem, not mine.