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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Marvel have female fans you know, why not give to them something like this, people needs to BE less selfish , every podcast i Saw people loved the scene.

The real crime was captain marvel Ugly haircut, its Ugly and stupid.🤮

I actually thought she looked amazing with short hair. Think I'm in the minority on it from the sounds of things but really think she looks iconically Super now.

I'd watch more films like that! Heck.... I watched the Iron Man boardroom movie... so I'll watch anything MCU, but still... I'll HAPPILY watch this!



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The Fury said:
Vyse_Blue_Rogue said:
Say Tony didn't drop the Space stone that Loki picks up in 2012, so the Avengers still have it. What would happen if they go back to the 70's anyway and see the space stone at the SHIELD base and take that one, would they then have 2 Space stones?

Ah time travel. Basic answer is, yes they would, 2 versions of the same one.

Putting the Space gem back was more awkward. The Tesseract was it's case, Thanos destroyed it in Infinity War by crushing it, so the Avengers would have had to do the same, how did they recreate it? 

So, they could go back, retrieve each stone, then go back 10 minutes and do it again, then repeat and repeat, take them all back to the future, get Stark to make dozens of Infinity Gauntlets for the dozens of each versions of all the stones, give a Gauntlet complete with stones to each Avenger then the Avengers become invincible forever?



SpokenTruth said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Even in probably the most iconic scene very early on from the first avengers movie it isn't all male.

There is nothing natural about the collection of female heroes together because it's a scene constructed for one reason and it's to show all the female heroes together. The reason alone means the scene isn't a natural happening especially with the number of heroes, the odds of seeing 10+ heroes all of the same gender are insanely high, to the point of being laughable.

You got time travel, aliens, super powers, gods, impossible mechanics, etc...but somehow a group of women feels unnatural?

Not what I said in the slightest, the scene isn't a scene which was formed naturally, it was formed with a "now lets get a picture of all the lovely girl heroes" and I think that is patronising the very thing they want to achieve, see the same thing all the time in wwe where the plot of female wrestlers is the fact that their female and that's great.... that's not what makes a character great (their gender) the abilities, personalities and accolades are why we love them, making a very clear effor to ram ever x chromosome into the same shot just gets an eyeroll from me. They're better than that, they're more than their gender and should get screen time based on that.



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I thought that the first 45 minutes or so were pretty slow, but that's acceptable in a 3 hour movie. Overall I thought it was pretty good and tied a good knot over everything I wanted. I was intrigued by Captain Marvel in this movie and it kinda makes me want to watch her standalone film.
8/10



Poliwrathlord said:
I thought that the first 45 minutes or so were pretty slow, but that's acceptable in a 3 hour movie. Overall I thought it was pretty good and tied a good knot over everything I wanted. I was intrigued by Captain Marvel in this movie and it kinda makes me want to watch her standalone film.
8/10

I think it was a very deliberate slow pace after the first Thanos death, just to kinda let it sink in and linger with no villain they can team up and defeat, they just get to sit back and wallow in defeat or to try and rebuild and get back on their feet and remain functional. Time to stew in defeat I kinda loved and it made the final acts crazy pace all the better for it, imo ofc! on rewatches to be honest that slow stuff will likely get skipped  til act 2.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Poliwrathlord said:
I thought that the first 45 minutes or so were pretty slow, but that's acceptable in a 3 hour movie. Overall I thought it was pretty good and tied a good knot over everything I wanted. I was intrigued by Captain Marvel in this movie and it kinda makes me want to watch her standalone film.
8/10

I think it was a very deliberate slow pace after the first Thanos death, just to kinda let it sink in and linger with no villain they can team up and defeat, they just get to sit back and wallow in defeat or to try and rebuild and get back on their feet and remain functional. Time to stew in defeat I kinda loved and it made the final acts crazy pace all the better for it, imo ofc! on rewatches to be honest that slow stuff will likely get skipped  til act 2.

I agree with that. The third act is definitely better because of the slow pace of the beginning. The tension build up is absolutely excellent.



The whole thing felt like work. After 22 movies I'm glad to be done. It is a shame I love Spider-Man so much so I will probably see Far From Home. I really want to swear off superhero movies like I swore off fast food last year.



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SpokenTruth said:
NightlyPoe said:

Yes.

Look.  I know you think you've got some sort of impenetrable argument because there are impossible things in the move, but that's just the suspension of disbelief.  We all walked into the theater expecting to see people shooting fireballs from their eyes and lightening bolts from their arse.  It's literally what we paid to see.

It doesn't mean any mundane thing automatically becomes artistically valid.  Imagine if right after Captain America picked up Mjolnir, he'd donned a red cap and said it was "Time to MAGA" before whoopin' Thanos's butt for a bit.  It'd be plausible, but it would also be inappropriate and would take the audience out of the movie.  People have laid out very valid reasons why the scene shouldn't be there.  Please deal with them on those term and stop pretending that it's all about the plausibility of getting 15 women in one shot.

Fine.  You got 3 hours and 55 seconds of suspension of disbelief and 5 seconds of Girl Power.  That's a ratio of 2,171:1.  Let it go.  Let the women have that 5 seconds of fictionalized, fantastic badassery or is that just too damn much to ask for?

That's the thing. This scene is not badass. Captain Marvel destroying a spaceship is badass. Pott blasting aliens is badass. Valkyrie riding her pegasus through an army is badass. 20 seconds of complete pause in the middle of a fight for a political photoshoot is the opposite of badass, it breaks the action's flow and show them just waiting around while the guys are doing the job.

If they did the same scene, with the same female characters, but all fighting to push back ennemies from Spiderman instead of just standing for the camera, it would be a lot more badass and beneficial to the battle's flow.

Why Hollywood doesn't understand that actions are more important than political messages? Don't waste time showing women taking pose like "Look, we have women!", show them in the battle killing ennemies and let their strength do the talking.

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SpokenTruth said:
NightlyPoe said:

Yes.

Look.  I know you think you've got some sort of impenetrable argument because there are impossible things in the move, but that's just the suspension of disbelief.  We all walked into the theater expecting to see people shooting fireballs from their eyes and lightening bolts from their arse.  It's literally what we paid to see.

It doesn't mean any mundane thing automatically becomes artistically valid.  Imagine if right after Captain America picked up Mjolnir, he'd donned a red cap and said it was "Time to MAGA" before whoopin' Thanos's butt for a bit.  It'd be plausible, but it would also be inappropriate and would take the audience out of the movie.  People have laid out very valid reasons why the scene shouldn't be there.  Please deal with them on those term and stop pretending that it's all about the plausibility of getting 15 women in one shot.

Fine.  You got 3 hours and 55 seconds of suspension of disbelief and 5 seconds of Girl Power.  That's a ratio of 2,171:1.  Let it go.  Let the women have that 5 seconds of fictionalized, fantastic badassery or is that just too damn much to ask for?

And your analogy doesn't work because MAGA was never an aspect of any of these movies while each of these women were.  You analogy would be out of character for Cap.  These women fighting together is not.

Is this really where some of you guys are hung up on?  A brief, 5 second nod to powerful women? 

There's just one person hung up on this, most others here said the scene was forced and served no narrative or productive purpose. But that's the extent of my "hanging" up on this, move on yourself from trying to turn this thread into something other than talking about one literally pointless scene.

As the OP of this thread that is a request here btw, drop this in here, feel free to make a thread about it if you want to keep talking about the scene.



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Signalstar said:
The whole thing felt like work. After 22 movies I'm glad to be done. It is a shame I love Spider-Man so much so I will probably see Far From Home. I really want to swear off superhero movies like I swore off fast food last year.

When you say whole thing do you mean the whole mcu series? like... all 22 movies? or just infinity wars and endgame?

Maybe just play pick and choose for a bit? skip out on the heroes you don't follow and just meet up with them during the team up films? can always go back later if you feel like seeing their little stories later, that's what I  had done with Thor2 and Iron Man 3 originally.



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