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I thought it was handed the generation by the Xbox One debacle and the Wii U being DoA. No one wanted to buy those two, so what was left? PS4.



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Rafie said:

Eh....that's pretty debatable. InFamous Second Son came in just a couple of months after the PS4 dropped. Xbox One wasn't the only one with a stellar title at that time. The PS4 did beat the competition with it's games as time went on. That's what kept it afloat. Not just from 1st party. You shouldn't downplay a game because it's niche. Bloodborne was heavily sought after on Xbox One.

You do have a point about the INTIAL sales in the PS4's infancy with hype, failed promises, unwanted features, etc. Still I feel like you're trying to, again, downplay when it comes to PS4. You're basically saying that PS4 is a suped up PS3. You can say the same about Xbox if we're going by that logic. The DS4 is more innovative than Xbox One's controller. I don't feel like naming the features it has. However, seeing as the Xbox One's controller is a slight redesign of the incredible 360's controller...it's not really debatable about what new controller features the DS4 had compared to Xbox One's. Comfortability and preference is an entirely different discussion.

To jump back into the PS4/PS3 thing, it's unfair to say that it didn't change that much outside of a power jump. Once more I don't want to do a comparable feature thing between the 2 consoles. That's been done to death over the years. I do know that PS4 is the only one that offered proper VR out of the 3. Xbox One and PS4 are pretty identical in a lot of ways though outside of VR. Kinect and PS Camera are pretty much the same, except the Kinect is much better in my opinion. Still it's something they both do. So if the PS4 didn't change much from PS3, then neither has Xbox One from the 360. Btw that last statement before this one is totally ignorant and I don't agree with that. Just going by the logic that's presented.

Well when PS4 got Infamous, XB1 received Sunset Overdrive and as I pointed out Bloodborne went on to sell 3m+ units in 4 years.. it was not a game that would have increased PS4 sales immensely. It was a quality game but not for everyone.

PS VR was not even a thing when these consoles launched and it currently has only sold around 4m units (Correct me if I am wrong there) so like I mentioned with Bloodborne, its not for everyone.

XB1's controller received some changes in its design and added Rumble Triggers etc as DS4 added a touch pad and also changed its design. There isn't a world's difference between them when it comes to controller options. All 3 console makers changed there controllers not just Sony's, it just seems bigger because Sony haven't changed there controller this dramatically since the PS1, where as every Nintendo and Xbox generation, there have always been changes.

All I am saying is the PS4 played it safer, they launched the PS4 with no VR, with no alienated controllers, with no Camera (Optional) and basically at launch it was a PS3 with bigger and better visuals and cheaper, the XB1 launched with Kinect bundled, Devs had to utilised Kinect by allowing 10% of the system's power so all games had some Kinect integration. The WiiU also did something similar with the Gamepad.

The PS4 was selling like crazy at launch, not after it received any of its critically acclaimed games. Normally in a console generation, one company screws up leaving 1 selling really well and the other selling very good, this gen started out similar to the PS2 era which is a mirror image of this gen with the Dreamcast and Gamecube falling over at the start up line. Basically if the other two didn't goof up at the same time the success wouldn't have been as good as it is now. No competition creates success like this. PS4 rode the wave of the others falling down hence why is sold like crazy at launch and its still selling like crazy now, but now with Switch on the market, the sales have moved a little, especially in Japan, because the Switch has created big competition there.

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0D0 said:
I want my Playstation to be my old Playstation with more power. That's the best case for me.

Playstation is just the true SNES successor. Dualshock is just the true SNES controller successor.

I don't want Playstation to change that.

Keep it boring, please.

I think I'm old enough to just want the same thing but better as well.



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Sony just stuck with the strategy that has worked for them in the past, so why change? If people just want the Playstation to remain gaming focus and aren't interested in gimmicky tech then so be it.



Replying to an earlier post, last gen I was an Xbox 360 fanboy. This gen, I'm an Xbox One fanboy--but I did wind up buying both (three 360s for myself and three as gifts, two PS3s/FIVE Xbox Ones for myself, two as gifts, two PS4s for myself). Those are my "credentials".

Even I bought a PS4 first.

I bought my PS4 the day Tomb Raider Definitive Edition came out. I don'td by an Xbox One until the day Titanfall came out. People are saying the gaming media downplayed the power difference between the consoles. Every single comparison I saw showed the PS4 was "twice as powerful", running games at twice the framerate and twice the resolution. Every now and then, there was parity but with a couple of exceptions (being generous. I only remember Strider) the PS4 won every time and the gaminggaming made it clear.

As for Control features:
PS4 added a headphone jack (Xbox One didn't have this at launch), a light bar, a touch pad, a speaker, and some design changes.

Xbox One added an infrared light, whatever the rumble triggers were called, and some design changes.

The narrative at the time was pretty unanimous that the PS4 controller was better and that the Xbox One controller was actually WORSE than the 360 controller (not true in my opinion). Everything I've said so far, I'm willing to prove with videos and articles from that period of time. One site even bashed the way you entered text on the YouTube app for Xbox One, when it was the exact same way on PS4! Even my 2013 Vgchartz alt "attaboy" said the battle was over before it began because PS4 appeared to be doing everything right based on the information we had at the time. I said it was going to be a boring gen.

TLDR: When you combined the fact that the PS4 had more power (Xbox One's "secret sauce" became a joke), cost $100 cheaper, reportedly had the better controller, had the best version of every game, had better PR from the moment that it was revealed, had exclusive dlc and dlc first for games like CoD and  and even had an optional camera that was reported by some to be almost as capable as Kinect 2.0, it was obvious to anyone but the biggest fanboy in denial who was going to win.

...Unless you were the creators of South Park.

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Azzanation said:

This below pretty much echoes what I was conveying in the long run. It seems as though you keep trying to downplay the PS4 and what it had. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything of the sort. Just want you to be more aware of what PS4 offered. It isn't just a suped up PS3. That's ignorant to believe that.

d21lewis said:

Replying to an earlier post, last gen I was an Xbox 360 fanboy. This gen, I'm an Xbox One fanboy--but I did wind up buying both (three 360s for myself and three as gifts, two PS3s/FIVE Xbox Ones for myself, two as gifts, two PS4s for myself). Those are my "credentials".

Even I bought a PS4 first.

I bought my PS4 the day Tomb Raider Definitive Edition came out. I don'td by an Xbox One until the day Titanfall came out. People are saying the gaming media downplayed the power difference between the consoles. Every single comparison I saw showed the PS4 was "twice as powerful", running games at twice the framerate and twice the resolution. Every now and then, there was parity but with a couple of exceptions (being generous. I only remember Strider) the PS4 won every time and the gaming made it clear.

As for Control features:
PS4 added a headphone jack (Xbox One didn't have this at launch), a light bar, a touch pad, a speaker, and some design changes.

Xbox One added an infrared light, whatever the rumble triggers were called, and some design changes.

The narrative at the time was pretty unanimous that the PS4 controller was better and that the Xbox One controller was actually WORSE than the 360 controller (not true in my opinion). Everything I've said so far, I'm willing to prove with videos and articles from that period of time. One site even bashed the way you entered text on the YouTube app for Xbox One, when it was the exact same way on PS4! Even my 2013 Vgchartz alt "attaboy" said the battle was over before it began because PS4 appeared to be doing everything right based on the information we had at the time. I said it was going to be a boring gen.

TLDR: When you combined the fact that the PS4 had more power (Xbox One's "secret sauce" became a joke), cost $100 cheaper, reportedly had the better controller, had the best version of every game, had better PR from the moment that it was revealed, had exclusive dlc and dlc first for games like CoD and  and even had an optional camera that was reported by some to be almost as capable as Kinect 2.0, it was obvious to anyone but the biggest fanboy in denial who was going to win.

...Unless you were the creators of South Park.

Right on. I wished Sony would have looked at how the Kinect was and adopt a similar tech. Kinect 2.0 is spectacular.



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FattyDingDong said:

I am not saying I agree with the article or disagree I just find it interesting.  What do you think?

Why do you find it interesting?



                                                                                                                                            

Rafie said:

This below pretty much echoes what I was conveying in the long run. It seems as though you keep trying to downplay the PS4 and what it had. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything of the sort. Just want you to be more aware of what PS4 offered. It isn't just a suped up PS3. That's ignorant to believe that.

Right on. I wished Sony would have looked at how the Kinect was and adopt a similar tech. Kinect 2.0 is spectacular.

I am not downplaying the PS4, I am just not praising it, and here's why.

The PS4 was given this generation by default, and that's due to the lack of competition. Consumer minds were already made at the very beginning of this gen and I don't simply praise that and never will. Its not Sony's fault why there opposition fell over, but when both your competitors failed to compete basically means the PS4 would have won regardless of its games. Even Sony themselves were using the other's negativity to sell there own console with there shared gaming video etc. I praised the Wii last gen because it top the charts with an enormous amount of competition and possibly one of the hardest generations to own. I also don't praise Steam anymore because they have own the market with basically no competition for so long. They basically owned the PC space by default like PS4 did with the console market.

Now its pretty clear that Sony did play it safer this gen because they were even changing there console plans when the XB1 received bad reactions and they started removing there DRM and other bits to avoid the same criticism etc. XB1 just went full throttle on it and the WiiU doesn't need much to say about that machine.

Don't take this to heart, this is simply my view on things and its how ill continue to judge something in the future. But keep in mind, just because one doesn't praise a machine doesn't mean they are downplaying it. There is nothing wrong with playing it safe.



Azzanation said:
Rafie said:

This below pretty much echoes what I was conveying in the long run. It seems as though you keep trying to downplay the PS4 and what it had. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything of the sort. Just want you to be more aware of what PS4 offered. It isn't just a suped up PS3. That's ignorant to believe that.

Right on. I wished Sony would have looked at how the Kinect was and adopt a similar tech. Kinect 2.0 is spectacular.

I am not downplaying the PS4, I am just not praising it, and here's why.

The PS4 was given this generation by default, and that's due to the lack of competition. Consumer minds were already made at the very beginning of this gen and I don't simply praise that and never will. Its not Sony's fault why there opposition fell over, but when both your competitors failed to compete basically means the PS4 would have won regardless of its games. Even Sony themselves were using the other's negativity to sell there own console with there shared gaming video etc. I praised the Wii last gen because it top the charts with an enormous amount of competition and possibly one of the hardest generations to own. I also don't praise Steam anymore because they have own the market with basically no competition for so long. They basically owned the PC space by default like PS4 did with the console market.

Now its pretty clear that Sony did play it safer this gen because they were even changing there console plans when the XB1 received bad reactions and they started removing there DRM and other bits to avoid the same criticism etc. XB1 just went full throttle on it and the WiiU doesn't need much to say about that machine.

Don't take this to heart, this is simply my view on things and its how ill continue to judge something in the future. But keep in mind, just because one doesn't praise a machine doesn't mean they are downplaying it. There is nothing wrong with playing it safe.

@bolded That was done on the same day. Just like the cologne ad Xbox did in regards to Destiny. It's just jabbing. Also there's no proof of Sony removing DRM after seeing what happened to Xbox. Folks only speculated, but Sony themselves never admitted to that.

The reason why I said you were downplaying is because you're nitpicking things about the PS4, but not doing the same to Xbox. PS4 isn't just an upgraded PS3. That's where I disagreed at. I'm not taking it to heart. I just found that statement to be ignorant and baseless. The PS4 isn't perfect by any means. Neither is the Xbox One. They should get praise where praise is due. I would never downplay the Xbox One by saying it's an upgraded 360. That's all. I mean no disrespect to you. It's not my intention.



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