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The PS4 Won The Console Generation By Being Boring: Can The PS5 Do The Same?

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TranceformerFX said:
d21lewis said:

It's like the media chooses the winner early on and then shapes a narrative to support it. But when things look too bad for a company, they swing the other way.

In my perspective and personal account, the media, retail companies and gaming outlets REALLY wanted Microsoft's Xbox One to be the winner - even after sales statistics and forecasts clearly showed that the PS4 was outselling the X1 two to one.

The X1 is obviously an American product (Microsoft) but E3's 2013 shit show DRM controversy totally f**ed them. I remember that demonstration, that whole keynote was about TV, Cable, Football and Kinect. Videogames was clearly an afterthought for Microsoft and everyone saw it. Microsofts stock took a dive and gamers crucified it's marketing pitch - which was completely justified. The PS4 is for gamers.

Bold: Media didn't push XB1 more than PS4 from my memory. They saw everyone's reaction to the XB1 reveal and often they decided that there was money in supporting the critical narrative. For instance:

Though talking retail sellers (or at least Gamestop), I kinda see your point. Even here in Denmark, Gamestop has (almost every month since 2014) been begging me to trade in my PS4 towards an XB1 and later XB1X. Often they don't have (or at least don't advertise) the option to trade in my XB1 towards a PS4.

But I don't think they're biased. I rather think they're being compensated in some way. It's just business, I guess.



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All things being equal, PlayStation ought to beat Xbox every time. Technically, they beat Xbox last gen as well despite the disadvantages the PS3 had causing huge reductions in market share. Beating Nintendo isn't always a guarantee, though. The PS3 fell well short of the Wii, while the PS4's final tally ought to exceed the Switch's by a fair amount. But so long as they don't do anything too risky, Sony ought to win every generation. They have Europe on lock, and the PS5 ought to keep Sony's streak unbroken in the region. The U.S. is always going to be up for grabs, but if they play it safe they ought to at least break even with Xbox. As for Japan, the PS5 ought to do similar numbers to the PS3 & PS4.

If I had to guess, assuming the PS5 and Xbox 4 are on even terms and neither Sony nor MS make any huge blunders, I think a plausible scenario for Gen 9 is 100M for the PS5 and 70M for the Xbox 4. Now we just need to wait a couple of years to see what Nintendo has planned for the Switch's successor.



I feel like PS4 has been the least boring console, given Sony’s financial situation prior to launch, and the number of risks Sony has taken by putting emphasis on single player games, changes to IP’s, and VR. Sure, it didn’t launch with motion controls or a camera that supposedly needed to be plugged it at all times, but it’s been a genuinely good gaming console that offers people what they want: Games. It doesn’t need a gimmick to be considered “exciting”



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DialgaMarine said:
I feel like PS4 has been the least boring console, given Sonys financial situation prior to launch, and the number of risks Sony has taken by putting emphasis on single player games, changes to IPs, and VR. Sure, it didnt launch with motion controls or a camera that supposedly needed to be plugged it at all times, but its been a genuinely good gaming console that offers people what they want: Games. It doesnt need a gimmick to be considered exciting

It does have an awesome motion controller and a touch pad, though. And let's not forget it lights up. I'm not being sarcastic. In fact, not that I think about it, they launched with a camera too (though it wasn't a necessity, as you stated). It was sold out for a while. They just didn't make it a pack-in. It even had decent voice commands.



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I don’t want “innovation” in a console, just a more powerful box will do.
I want new IPs, and Sony is the only one that funds those in the AAA space. MS and Nintendo barely ever make a new IP and when they do it’s always some low effort, low cost cop out.

I’ll take a Death Stranding/Horizon on the PS1.3 than another Mario 987/Halo 9 on whatever weirdly named “innovative” console MS and Nintendo have out.



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That author is a known Xbox sympathizer. I normally don't jump in the console wars, but man he has done this since the 360 days. Folks in the comments use to rip him apart. I see there isn't a comment section there. Don't know what happened to it. He's lucky though....



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I went Xbone first this gen because of Titanfall, Kinect, and the voice stuff. I still use the Xbone more for gaming because imho the UI, controller, and network are all superior, but my Kinect is sitting unplugged (I think I’d have to buy an adapter for it to work on Scorpio anyway) and I don’t use the voice stuff. I’d still have my TV hooked up through the Xbone but since they removed the snap feature, I don’t care to use that functionality anymore.

It kind of mirrors the shift from Microsoft as the gen has gone on and as they’ve lost/canned more and more of the high brass responsible for the Xbone vision and focused more on the core gaming experience, that’s what I’ve used mine more and more for.

Idk if I’d call the PS4 boring, but it was certainly safe opposed to Xbone and WiiU. But it had that mindshare and price and that’s really why it won. It’s always had brand power outside of the US and became the mainstream “it” console even in the US. It’s got the weird stuff and now it’s the console for the Calls of Doody brehs too, the 1-2 combo.



Sony will dominate next generation like they have dominated 3/4 of console generations they have participated in.



Most of the time Sony has an advantage, but if you think about it carefully, then you'll see that Sony does not have the advantage this time.  Here is how it breaks down:

1) If all of the big 3 do a traditional strategy (playing it safe) then Sony wins.  This is what happened in Generation 6 and Sony had it's best performance yet.
2) If Nintendo or Microsoft try something different, but it's a bad idea, then Sony wins.  That is what has been happening in Generation 8 with the XB1 and Wii U screwing up.
3) If Nintendo does something different and it's a good idea, then Nintendo wins.  This is what happened with the Wii in Generation 7.
4) If Sony competes against Nintendo's handhelds, then Nintendo always wins.  Nintendo is undefeated in the handheld market.  They have defeated countless competitors including everything Sony has thrown out there.


This time the PS5 is competing against the Switch.  We already know that we are in situations 3 and 4.  Nintendo is trying something different and it's successful.  Also the Switch is a handheld.  But this handheld is special, because it is also a home console.  It already will get the entire handheld market, but it will also get some of the home market too.  That is the problem with Sony playing it safe.  If they do so, then Switch is just going to take all of their customers away. 

Everyone is acting like the PS5 is competing against the Wii U again.  Nope.  Switch is a much tougher competitor than the Wii U.  Switch is a high powered handheld that can also act as a home console.  Sony needs to worry that they won't get a repeat of the PSP vs DS.  The PSP was a very solid system with a lot of great games and it still lost to the weaker DS.  The same situation can very easily happen with the PS5 and Switch.



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Most of the time Sony has an advantage, but if you think about it carefully, then you'll see that Sony does not have the advantage this time.  Here is how it breaks down:

1) If all of the big 3 do a traditional strategy (playing it safe) then Sony wins.  This is what happened in Generation 6 and Sony had it's best performance yet.
2) If Nintendo or Microsoft try something different, but it's a bad idea, then Sony wins.  That is what has been happening in Generation 8 with the XB1 and Wii U screwing up.
3) If Nintendo does something different and it's a good idea, then Nintendo wins.  This is what happened with the Wii in Generation 7.
4) If Sony competes against Nintendo's handhelds, then Nintendo always wins.  Nintendo is undefeated in the handheld market.  They have defeated countless competitors including everything Sony has thrown out there.


This time the PS5 is competing against the Switch.  We already know that we are in situations 3 and 4.  Nintendo is trying something different and it's successful.  Also the Switch is a handheld.  But this handheld is special, because it is also a home console.  It already will get the entire handheld market, but it will also get some of the home market too.  That is the problem with Sony playing it safe.  If they do so, then Switch is just going to take all of their customers away. 

Everyone is acting like the PS5 is competing against the Wii U again.  Nope.  Switch is a much tougher competitor than the Wii U.  Switch is a high powered handheld that can also act as a home console.  Sony needs to worry that they won't get a repeat of the PSP vs DS.  The PSP was a very solid system with a lot of great games and it still lost to the weaker DS.  The same situation can very easily happen with the PS5 and Switch.

Well if MS offers an affordable next gen system and a much higher performing elite model at launch, that would be something new and different. Also, I believe Nin and Nvidia have both said they have a 10 year plan/deal, and with the Switch Mini and Switch Pro rumors, how long before Switch is no longer considered new and different? What if PS drops a Switch competitor (aside from their home console(s)) during that same old, same old Switch phase in a couple of years? What about VR?



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