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What Do You Think About The Leak?

It's definitely legit. 8 61.54%
 
It's a fake. 5 38.46%
 
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If it's 12TF-14TF, I can't believe it'll be an APU, at least not like the PS4. Adored TV does a great job of explaining the new chiplet design route AMD is taking for third gen Ryzen, and this would be the way to go. An 8 core Ryzen chiplet, a separate Navi chiplet, and a separate I/O controller chiplet, all on an interposer. This way the heat from all 3 chiplets is kept separate and only combines on the heat sink on top of them all, which would allow for that kind of performance in a console without it sounding like OG PS4. 14TF in an all in one APU would require one heck of a large cooling system, even if it's vapor chamber based, and you could expect an XB1 sized model at launch. By using the separated chiplet APU style, you could probably get away with a Pro or PS3 sized model.

While I myself doubt they would shoot for 14TF, as the efficiency level at the top of the stack for Navi likely wouldn't be great, I do think they will not allow it to be any less than the 10.7TF of Stadia. That's also assuming it's going to be just one model. If PS has a 6TF-8TF base model for $399, then why not shoot for the moon and try to have the most powerful console as well at 14TF for $599?

My best guess would be the leak is maybe 60/40 give or take. The 40% mostly being up in the air still, so they don't really know and are maybe giving out the highest level those specs could potentially land at, depending on what XB reveals and final price points.



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HollyGamer said:
Random_Matt said:

We will find out soon no doubt, MS will show all first I guess.

Yeah, probably at E3 this year, but i doubt they will go full detail because they will probably using the same chip (slightly more clock speed or more CU ) and those chip also still in test and optimization. There is also probability that similar reveal like in 2013 might happen  in 2020 for both to go full detail. We can expect both will be super close in terms of performance, thus Mark Cerny hinted new Marketing Jargons like SSD / fast loading time/ Ray Tracing visual/sound  and 8k to promote the console instead Teraflop number. 

I think what Sony is doing is putting out just enough information to make Microsoft feel the need to reveal all at E3. Microsoft might reveal that they have same CPU, like last time, and a 12 Tflop high-end console. Then later, Sony reveals that there's is a 12.9-13.5 Tlop console. I think the 12.9 teraflop might be the ticket, as Digital Foundry pointed out that would have the same CUs as the Stadia, 56, if the leaked GPU info was in fact for PS5. That would allow them to tout the same amount of CUs as Google, while also having enough disabled to have higher yields.

Of course, that isn't that much of a difference, but it does allow to talk about having the most powerful console. Now, I think what is more interesting is what kind of tech the GPUs will use. We know 100% that Sony is using Navi, which means all of advancements that comes with. But, is MS using it, as well. Maybe they are using Vega. Or possibly a hybrid of both. If either of those are the case, I think the PS5 will have the more advanced GPU, even if they both have the same theoretical Tflops. 

E3 will be interesting for sure.



Well, looking at the list, many of these are very obvious/likely, right?
These in particular:

"PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal"
"PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized"
"backward compatible"
"physical games & ps store"
"PSVR2 in 2020"

You don't have to do much guesswork there.

Petty much the main one they'd have to make a somewhat uneducated guess on would be the core and thread count of the already heavily rumored Ryzen and Navi GPU & CPU.

However, another 'fairly obvious' one would have been a 2TB HDD.
I'm not listing it above because to most people's surprise, it turns out they'll focus on SSD.

So this might be an area where that paste bin leak guessed incorrectly. Unless there's also an HDD inside. But you'd think this leaker would mention the SSD since it's such an important factor.

Could someone possibly know the thread and core count of the CPU, but not that it uses an SSD? Or that it loads incredibly fast?
That seems a bit hard to believe.

But if more of the non-obvious stuff lines up in the future, like the premium PS+, and camera on the controller, then I may change my opinion.

Last edited by Hiku - on 21 April 2019

Hiku said:

Well, looking at the list, many of these are very obvious/likely, right?
These in particular:

"PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal"
"PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized"
"backward compatible"
"physical games & ps store"
"PSVR2 in 2020"

You don't have to do much guesswork there.

Petty much the main one they'd have to make a somewhat uneducated guess on would be the core and thread count of the already heavily rumored Ryzen and Navi GPU & CPU.

However, another 'fairly obvious' one would have been a 2TB HDD.
I'm not listing it above because to most people's surprise, it turns out they'll focus on SSD.

So this might be an area where that paste bin leak guessed incorrectly. Unless there's also an HDD inside. But you'd think this leaker would mention the SSD since it's such an important factor.

Could someone possibly know the thread and core count of the CPU, but not that it uses an SSD? Or that it loads incredibly fast?
That seems a bit hard to believe.

I don't see how a small reveal was obvious when the PS4 got an incredibly hyped PS Meeting as its reveal. Neither was the release date. A lot of speculation, but nothing obvious, with predictions ranging from 2019-2022. The other three I'll give you.

How is the drive incorrect? Yes, he incorrectly labeled it HDD, which usually means the mechanical type, BUT right after he uses that term he states it uses NAND Flash, so he obviously meant SSD. Or it may still have a HDD, but has a large pool of NAND that aids loading the game you are playing.



thismeintiel said:
Hiku said:

Well, looking at the list, many of these are very obvious/likely, right?
These in particular:

"PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal"
"PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized"
"backward compatible"
"physical games & ps store"
"PSVR2 in 2020"

You don't have to do much guesswork there.

Petty much the main one they'd have to make a somewhat uneducated guess on would be the core and thread count of the already heavily rumored Ryzen and Navi GPU & CPU.

However, another 'fairly obvious' one would have been a 2TB HDD.
I'm not listing it above because to most people's surprise, it turns out they'll focus on SSD.

So this might be an area where that paste bin leak guessed incorrectly. Unless there's also an HDD inside. But you'd think this leaker would mention the SSD since it's such an important factor.

Could someone possibly know the thread and core count of the CPU, but not that it uses an SSD? Or that it loads incredibly fast?
That seems a bit hard to believe.

I don't see how a small reveal was obvious when the PS4 got an incredibly hyped PS Meeting as its reveal. Neither was the release date. A lot of speculation, but nothing obvious, with predictions ranging from 2019-2022. The other three I'll give you.

How is the drive incorrect? Yes, he incorrectly labeled it HDD, which usually means the mechanical type, BUT right after he uses that term he states it uses NAND Flash, so he obviously meant SSD. Or it may still have a HDD, but has a large pool of NAND that aids loading the game you are playing.

Well, "Small reveal" can be interpreted as "partial reveal", so their choice of words there would cover both scenarios.
For the timing, they said "somewhere around E3" which is a fairly large window. Arguably covers Q2-Q3 and may include the Playstation Experience which has occurred in August for the past two years. But I don't think Q2 specifically was an obvious choice, so I should have acknowledged that.

As for release date, I think 2020 - 2021 have seemed like the most likely release dates for quite some time. And 2020 more so after Sony announced they'd skip E3 this year. Because that may indicate few new announcements for PS4 this year, which should not be the case if they were planning to keep PS4 as their primary console all the way to 2021 -22.

As for the drive, maybe you're right. I took the 'some sort of nand flash' to mean something less significant in addition to the 2TB HDD. As in some flash memory on the side.
Maybe it's just me but I've never heard anyone (when speaking in specific technical terms, as this person is) refer to an SSD as a HDD.

Last edited by Hiku - on 21 April 2019

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Hiku said:
thismeintiel said:

I don't see how a small reveal was obvious when the PS4 got an incredibly hyped PS Meeting as its reveal. Neither was the release date. A lot of speculation, but nothing obvious, with predictions ranging from 2019-2022. The other three I'll give you.

How is the drive incorrect? Yes, he incorrectly labeled it HDD, which usually means the mechanical type, BUT right after he uses that term he states it uses NAND Flash, so he obviously meant SSD. Or it may still have a HDD, but has a large pool of NAND that aids loading the game you are playing.

Well, "Small reveal" can be interpreted as "partial reveal", so their choice of words there would cover both scenarios.
For the timing, they said "somewhere around E3" which is a fairly large window. Arguably covers Q2-Q3 and may include the Playstation Experience which has occurred in August for the past two years. But I don't think Q2 specifically was an obvious choice, so I should have acknowledged that.

As for release date, I think 2020 - 2021 have seemed like the most likely release dates for quite some time. And 2020 more so after Sony announced they'd skip E3 this year. Because that may indicate few new announcements for PS4 this year, which should not be the case if they were planning to keep PS4 as their primary console all the way to 2021 -22.

As for the drive, maybe you're right. I took the 'some sort of nand flash' to mean something less significant in addition to the 2TB HDD. As in some flash memory on the side.
Maybe it's just me but I've never heard anyone (when speaking in specific technical terms, as this person is) refer to an SSD as a HDD.

The point I'm making about the small reveal isn't so much that the reveal was partial or full, but rather when has any Playstation system had a small reveal? All other systems were announced at E3 in front of a large audience and dozens of media reporters present. And the PS4 was announced at its own large, hyped meeting. There was absolutely no reason for someone to believe or guess that there would only be a small reveal.

I will give you that 2020 definitely seemed like a more realistic date as 2018 came to a close. And as for the HDD, we have to remember this is a guy from Europe, so English may not be his first language. He did misspell launch as lunch. Of course, it could have just been a simple mistake, either way.



thismeintiel said:
HollyGamer said:

Yeah, probably at E3 this year, but i doubt they will go full detail because they will probably using the same chip (slightly more clock speed or more CU ) and those chip also still in test and optimization. There is also probability that similar reveal like in 2013 might happen  in 2020 for both to go full detail. We can expect both will be super close in terms of performance, thus Mark Cerny hinted new Marketing Jargons like SSD / fast loading time/ Ray Tracing visual/sound  and 8k to promote the console instead Teraflop number. 

I think what Sony is doing is putting out just enough information to make Microsoft feel the need to reveal all at E3. Microsoft might reveal that they have same CPU, like last time, and a 12 Tflop high-end console. Then later, Sony reveals that there's is a 12.9-13.5 Tlop console. I think the 12.9 teraflop might be the ticket, as Digital Foundry pointed out that would have the same CUs as the Stadia, 56, if the leaked GPU info was in fact for PS5. That would allow them to tout the same amount of CUs as Google, while also having enough disabled to have higher yields.

Of course, that isn't that much of a difference, but it does allow to talk about having the most powerful console. Now, I think what is more interesting is what kind of tech the GPUs will use. We know 100% that Sony is using Navi, which means all of advancements that comes with. But, is MS using it, as well. Maybe they are using Vega. Or possibly a hybrid of both. If either of those are the case, I think the PS5 will have the more advanced GPU, even if they both have the same theoretical Tflops. 

E3 will be interesting for sure.

Lol you actually has the same mind with me.  It's more of strategy from Sony forcing Microsoft to reveal their card . By revealing sooner , make some hype  but keeping the small detail secret, Sony has left Microsoft on phinced position , Microsoft can only choose between showing their secret to outshine Sony or hiding it but make Sony get all the light and spot. 

If Microsoft want to outshine PS5 they cannot do the same thing and mentioned the same jargon to journalist and fan on E3 , Sony already did with 8k, Raytracing , Audio ray tracing, SSD, and fast loading time. They will have to pull performance number card which is Teraflop number like they did in 2016.

But if they want to hide their Xbox Next power and secret, they will risking losing some hype and some fan support. So it's safe to say SONY indeed made a smart move, what scary from Sony is not their Tech and reset division but their marketing division. 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 21 April 2019

That leak was super fake, getting some lucky guesses right does not make it any less fake.

-14 tflop is just not going to happen for a next-gen console. AMD just released their most powerful chipset ever, the 13.8 tflop Radeon 7, earlier this year, and it costs $700. PS4 used a GPU that cost desktop users $180 at the time that PS4 released. Even if PS5 is $500 instead of $400, the most expensive GPU you might see used in PS5 would be $250-$270 for desktop users, and AMD is not going to release a 14 tflop desktop GPU for $270 or less by the time PS5 enters production early next year. 

-GTA 6 is not Rockstar's next game according to reliable Rockstar leakers. Bully 2 is next, with GTA 6 not planned to release until 2023 or so.

-Polyphony is notoriously slow in recent years, they haven't made a mainline Gran Turismo game in 3 years since Gran Turismo 4, why would they suddenly become fast developers again?

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 21 April 2019

thismeintiel said:
Hiku said:

Well, "Small reveal" can be interpreted as "partial reveal", so their choice of words there would cover both scenarios.
For the timing, they said "somewhere around E3" which is a fairly large window. Arguably covers Q2-Q3 and may include the Playstation Experience which has occurred in August for the past two years. But I don't think Q2 specifically was an obvious choice, so I should have acknowledged that.

As for release date, I think 2020 - 2021 have seemed like the most likely release dates for quite some time. And 2020 more so after Sony announced they'd skip E3 this year. Because that may indicate few new announcements for PS4 this year, which should not be the case if they were planning to keep PS4 as their primary console all the way to 2021 -22.

As for the drive, maybe you're right. I took the 'some sort of nand flash' to mean something less significant in addition to the 2TB HDD. As in some flash memory on the side.
Maybe it's just me but I've never heard anyone (when speaking in specific technical terms, as this person is) refer to an SSD as a HDD.

The point I'm making about the small reveal isn't so much that the reveal was partial or full, but rather when has any Playstation system had a small reveal? All other systems were announced at E3 in front of a large audience and dozens of media reporters present. And the PS4 was announced at its own large, hyped meeting. There was absolutely no reason for someone to believe or guess that there would only be a small reveal.

I will give you that 2020 definitely seemed like a more realistic date as 2018 came to a close. And as for the HDD, we have to remember this is a guy from Europe, so English may not be his first language. He did misspell launch as lunch. Of course, it could have just been a simple mistake, either way.

I think I understood you on the "small reveal" part.
I'm not sure if you understood me though, so in that case I'll clarify.

What I meant was that I can see myself referring to the initial PS4 reveal as a "small reveal" because of the small amount of information we were given.
Does it become a 'bigger' reveal if there are more people in the room? Or if they build up anticipation? Because I can recall times where a reveal has been built up and people get hyped, but then it turns out to be a much smaller reveal than we expected. Or an announcement of an announcement, etc.
Although granted, it could be referring to the size of the event. Due to the choice of words, I can't say for sure

Not sure if another Playstation has been announced in a similar manner before. Perhaps Playstation 2, which was announced on March 1, 1999. Not sure exactly how, but seemingly not in front of an audience/not at an event. Though that doesn't really say much since the infrastructure for such announcements were different back then.

However, do you imagine a small third party developer from EU would have knowledge of how Sony would make the announcement?
I do not think they would, as that's not information they would be given by Sony, since it's not relevant to them.

As for HDD and SSD, I would imagine the abbreviations are the same in every country since that makes it easier for the manufacturers labeling them. At least in my language, the full name of those drives don't necessarily match up with those abbreviations. But the abbreviations are still HDD and SSD.

However, I was more thinking of the fact that the leaker meticulously specified everything else with its proper technical term, along with their specific values. But it could have been a mistake, or maybe the nand flash portion was referring to the HDD. That sentence looks like it may be missing either an "it's" or an "and".

Question is if mentioning 'nand flash' would be a fairly safe bet in either scenario?
I would say expecting next gen consoles to sport SSDs isn't exactly out of left field. It's not very uncommon for people to use them in their consoles these days. Cerny even mentions replacing the HDD on a PS4 with an SSD.
On the other hand, due to cost concerns, it would also be reasonable to expect mechanical drives.

So not sure how I feel about that one.
The main one I'm unsure of is about the GPU and CPU. I know Navi and Ryzen were rumored for PS5 for quite a while though. If someone estimates that PS5 is to be released in 2020, would it be hard to guess the amount of cores and threads?



HollyGamer said:
thismeintiel said:

I think what Sony is doing is putting out just enough information to make Microsoft feel the need to reveal all at E3. Microsoft might reveal that they have same CPU, like last time, and a 12 Tflop high-end console. Then later, Sony reveals that there's is a 12.9-13.5 Tlop console. I think the 12.9 teraflop might be the ticket, as Digital Foundry pointed out that would have the same CUs as the Stadia, 56, if the leaked GPU info was in fact for PS5. That would allow them to tout the same amount of CUs as Google, while also having enough disabled to have higher yields.

Of course, that isn't that much of a difference, but it does allow to talk about having the most powerful console. Now, I think what is more interesting is what kind of tech the GPUs will use. We know 100% that Sony is using Navi, which means all of advancements that comes with. But, is MS using it, as well. Maybe they are using Vega. Or possibly a hybrid of both. If either of those are the case, I think the PS5 will have the more advanced GPU, even if they both have the same theoretical Tflops. 

E3 will be interesting for sure.

Lol you actually has the same mind with me.  It's more of strategy from Sony forcing Microsoft to reveal their card . By revealing sooner , make some hype  but keeping the small detail secret, Sony has left Microsoft on phinced position , Microsoft can only choose between showing their secret to outshine Sony or hiding it but make Sony get all the light and spot. 

If Microsoft want to outshine PS5 they cannot do the same thing and mentioned the same jargon to journalist and fan on E3 , Sony already did with 8k, Raytracing , Audio ray tracing, SSD, and fast loading time. They will have to pull performance number card which is Teraflop number like they did in 2016.

But if they want to hide their Xbox Next power and secret, they will risking losing some hype and some fan support. So it's safe to say SONY indeed made a smart move, what scary from Sony is not their Tech and reset division but their marketing division. 

This could also be a bit of reverse psychology. If XB is actually launching two next gen consoles, and one is around 4TF at $299 give or take, and the other is going to be 12TF or higher for $499, PS could be purposely pushing 14TF leaks to make MS beef up Anaconda as much as possible so they are losing as much as possible at a $499 price point. If MS really wants that power marketing then they can't really take a chance and just hope PS focuses mostly on price.

The reason to do this would be if PS wants to launch a single SKU at $399. The more expensive Anaconda is to manufacture for MS, the less likely they are to drop the price below $499, not to mention already having a $299 unit that's specifically there for those who don't care about or can afford the $499 model. This would allow PS to create a single SKU around 10TF give or take and sell it for $399, with minor loses and little worry that MS will try and compete on price with Anaconda.

This way consumers would have a choice of a $299 Lockhart around 4TF, a $399 PS5 around 10TF, or $499 Anaconda around 12TF. Even if Lockhart were to end up at 6TF, PS5 would look to be the best value overall at an overly affordable price. PS5 would also have the native 4k marketing on their side over Lockhart. The closer PS5 was to Anaconda in terms of TF for $399, the less Lockhart would matter. If PS5 was something like 11.1TF, not only would it be higher than Stadia, but would also be close enough to Anaconda at 12TF that most casuals who can afford $399 will likely go with PS5. Even if Anaconda ends up being 14TF, PS5 could then be 12TF and sold at $399, as long as PS is willing to take the hit.

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