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Global Hardware 6 April 2019

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Mbolibombo said:
colafitte said:

Hahaha fair enough, i will do the same if you're right.

I agree though in the fact tracking EU+RotW is difficult (i expressed my doubts about this multiple times in the past in fact), so that's why i can accept the possibility of Switch being undertracked. But i am completely honest telling you that if VGC is tracking correctly i'm 100% sure there won't be around 3M units left on stock by the end of March. To be 35'8M shipped Switch has to be around 34'0M sold to consumers, at least, and that means Switch is undertracked 1M here and i think that's too much. Maybe it can be something inbetween, like 35'3M shipped (17'5M for the year) and 33'3M sold to consumers. If you expect something like this, then i can agree with you, although i still expect what i said.

So settled then, it's this thursday then?, so we don't have to wait that much. I'll be here when the annoucement comes then.

You were right on the money ~17M units. I'm bringing you swedish classic cookie mandelkubb, it has a mixed relationship with our population - hate it or love it. I hate it, my wife loves it :P

Thank you very much, probably i will love it!



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peachbuggy said:
colafitte said:

On a mission?, oh come on.....My original post had a take in each console and the least pessimistic was the Switch one, but is me talking about Switch in this site and everytime i am accused of something...despite being right in the end (like i was for Shipments in Q3 and consumer sales at the end of the year, in fact i was spot on). And no, in no moment i ever said or insinuated Q3 was overshipped. Every succesful console in the holiday season leaves around 2-3M units on stock left during Q3. That's not overship but is indeed a lot of units left and those units left are sold during the next year.

If you consider a Nintendo official statement "misleading" and "known conservative" for what they're going to sell in the next quarter talk for yourself because that's just your opinion, mine is different.

You said 2'5-3M on transit is a lot, if you refer to end of December, you're wrong, if you are talking about March, you are correct, and if that's the case i agree with you, that's why i don't expect more than 17'0M shipped and why i give the possibility that if indeed shipped more then VGC is undertracking Switch. I really don't know how i can be more specific and honest about Switch situation sales without being treated as a hater by some people here..., always the same story....

Prove me wrong or in denial about Switch JUST ONCE and then you can say that i'm on a mission, if not, i will appreciate stoping coments like this because yes, they're personal. Thanks.

Yes, that's just how you are perceived. As on a mission to undervalue the sales potential for the Switch at every opportunity, particularly on this thread and the March 16th sales thread. Your original post implied the Switch was overshipped in Q3 even to the extent you claimed sold would be higher than shipped in Q4. Your original post wasn't more optimistic for the Switch in mine and any others' opinions here. If i was to be brutally honest, almost your whole premise here is pretty much anti-switch and trying to downplay any positives for it. As for your claim that Switch would struggle to reach its amended sales target is laughable. As for how many units in transit/store shelves in Q3, that's pretty much up to the individuals interpretation. Nothing is particularly "normal" for that time of year. 

Nintendo are pretty much their own worst enemy for unintentionally misleading people with their "Sold through" comments. They would be better off not mentioning it at all if i'm honest. It was the 3rd time they have done it this gen and "as of 30th. Jan". is misleading because it could have passed the sales target prior to that. Nintendo was being deliberately vague, as they had no real, up to date definitive sales data. Same goes for the numbers. "Over" could be 1 unit or 999,999 units. Again, being that they are conservative they didn't want to be seen as misleading the public/investors but ended up doing so anyway. You took their numbers as literal but they were only a very conservative estimate and deliberately vague, just so as it was in the past and also proven to be conservative and unintentionally misleading. They just wanted to wait until they were absolutely positive by their data that they had passed the landmark. So it could have been quite a bit over by the time they claimed said figure. Not the 1st time they have done it either. Probably won't be the last.

FYI quite a few on Resetera are predicting 18m+ shipped for Switch last FY and i see no reason to disagree with them. As for your comments about being right about shipments and consumer sales,

a) Show me where you were proven right about Q3 shipments.

b) The only way you were proven "Right" about consumer sales are because of your agenda, going on and on about them being too high until downward adjustments were made here. I fully expect it to be adjusted back up on here once the Q4 briefing has been published. If by the sales team listened to your incessant insistences that the Switch was overtracked here then, sure you were right

but prepare to be proven wrong on both counts, including the last quarter, once the Q4 results from Nintendo have been published. At least we don't have to wait long :)

I hope you have a nice apology to colafitte planned, considering all the things you accused him of in this post and it turns out he was exactly right all along.



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colafitte said:
peachbuggy said:

Yes, that's just how you are perceived. As on a mission to undervalue the sales potential for the Switch at every opportunity, particularly on this thread and the March 16th sales thread. Your original post implied the Switch was overshipped in Q3 even to the extent you claimed sold would be higher than shipped in Q4. Your original post wasn't more optimistic for the Switch in mine and any others' opinions here. If i was to be brutally honest, almost your whole premise here is pretty much anti-switch and trying to downplay any positives for it. As for your claim that Switch would struggle to reach its amended sales target is laughable. As for how many units in transit/store shelves in Q3, that's pretty much up to the individuals interpretation. Nothing is particularly "normal" for that time of year. 

Nintendo are pretty much their own worst enemy for unintentionally misleading people with their "Sold through" comments. They would be better off not mentioning it at all if i'm honest. It was the 3rd time they have done it this gen and "as of 30th. Jan". is misleading because it could have passed the sales target prior to that. Nintendo was being deliberately vague, as they had no real, up to date definitive sales data. Same goes for the numbers. "Over" could be 1 unit or 999,999 units. Again, being that they are conservative they didn't want to be seen as misleading the public/investors but ended up doing so anyway. You took their numbers as literal but they were only a very conservative estimate and deliberately vague, just so as it was in the past and also proven to be conservative and unintentionally misleading. They just wanted to wait until they were absolutely positive by their data that they had passed the landmark. So it could have been quite a bit over by the time they claimed said figure. Not the 1st time they have done it either. Probably won't be the last.

FYI quite a few on Resetera are predicting 18m+ shipped for Switch last FY and i see no reason to disagree with them. As for your comments about being right about shipments and consumer sales,

a) Show me where you were proven right about Q3 shipments.

b) The only way you were proven "Right" about consumer sales are because of your agenda, going on and on about them being too high until downward adjustments were made here. I fully expect it to be adjusted back up on here once the Q4 briefing has been published. If by the sales team listened to your incessant insistences that the Switch was overtracked here then, sure you were right

but prepare to be proven wrong on both counts, including the last quarter, once the Q4 results from Nintendo have been published. At least we don't have to wait long :)

You really are an awful poster, that's the only thing i'm going o say to you (and if there are more people that think the same i don't care). I don't care if i get banned. People like you make me want to no post never again in this site. I always treat with respect every poster here and i'm an adult that doesnt need to endure this kind of comments. If you find satisfaction insulting people in the internet, good for you. I won't spent anymore more time on this topic. Enjoy this "victory" because thanks to you i'm not going to post anymore about Switch, it's not worth it.

As for VGC mods, i wish some of you could have done something about this in this recent months. The fact that i can say anything about PS4 and XBO and nothing happens but the moment i say something about Switch i become sorrounded by attackers is unacceptable. I posted much less recently because i was tired of this kind of discussions, but this last comment has surpassed my patience. I'm done.

Please, keep posting.

I sympathise with you. You're going to have a hard time saying anything negative towards Nintendo here. I've seen it here on a regular basis. You will also probably get more moderated when going against Nintendo than any other company here.

kenjab said:
peachbuggy said:

Yes, that's just how you are perceived. As on a mission to undervalue the sales potential for the Switch at every opportunity, particularly on this thread and the March 16th sales thread. Your original post implied the Switch was overshipped in Q3 even to the extent you claimed sold would be higher than shipped in Q4. Your original post wasn't more optimistic for the Switch in mine and any others' opinions here. If i was to be brutally honest, almost your whole premise here is pretty much anti-switch and trying to downplay any positives for it. As for your claim that Switch would struggle to reach its amended sales target is laughable. As for how many units in transit/store shelves in Q3, that's pretty much up to the individuals interpretation. Nothing is particularly "normal" for that time of year. 

Nintendo are pretty much their own worst enemy for unintentionally misleading people with their "Sold through" comments. They would be better off not mentioning it at all if i'm honest. It was the 3rd time they have done it this gen and "as of 30th. Jan". is misleading because it could have passed the sales target prior to that. Nintendo was being deliberately vague, as they had no real, up to date definitive sales data. Same goes for the numbers. "Over" could be 1 unit or 999,999 units. Again, being that they are conservative they didn't want to be seen as misleading the public/investors but ended up doing so anyway. You took their numbers as literal but they were only a very conservative estimate and deliberately vague, just so as it was in the past and also proven to be conservative and unintentionally misleading. They just wanted to wait until they were absolutely positive by their data that they had passed the landmark. So it could have been quite a bit over by the time they claimed said figure. Not the 1st time they have done it either. Probably won't be the last.

FYI quite a few on Resetera are predicting 18m+ shipped for Switch last FY and i see no reason to disagree with them. As for your comments about being right about shipments and consumer sales,

a) Show me where you were proven right about Q3 shipments.

b) The only way you were proven "Right" about consumer sales are because of your agenda, going on and on about them being too high until downward adjustments were made here. I fully expect it to be adjusted back up on here once the Q4 briefing has been published. If by the sales team listened to your incessant insistences that the Switch was overtracked here then, sure you were right

but prepare to be proven wrong on both counts, including the last quarter, once the Q4 results from Nintendo have been published. At least we don't have to wait long :)

I hope you have a nice apology to colafitte planned, considering all the things you accused him of in this post and it turns out he was exactly right all along.

Indeed.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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0D0 said:

Please, keep posting.

I sympathise with you. You're going to have a hard time saying anything negative towards Nintendo here. I've seen it here on a regular basis. You will also probably get more moderated when going against Nintendo than any other company here.

Indeed.

He already apologised in another thread and we moved on in good terms. So everything is fine.