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There is a guy on Twitter going by the handle APISAK, who posts information that has been discovered in 3D Mark databases for unannounced chipsets. APISAK found an AMD chipset named Gonzalo that matches up to confirmed info about PS5's chipset from the interview with Mark Cerny. APISAK also provided proof that both PS4's and PS4 Pro's chipsets were tested in 3D Mark on PC before release. 

The Gonzalo was first listed in January 2019, listed as an engineering sample. This new listing is a for a qualification sample, which means that it is near final silicon. Here are the specs that were pulled from the new listing:

  • CPU- 8 core Ryzen, 1.6 ghz base clock, 3.2 ghz boost clock
  • GPU- 1.8 ghz
  • TDP- 95 watt

Unfortunately, we are still missing RAM information, and we are missing 1 key piece of information needed to determine the tflops of the GPU, the CU count. Digital Foundry provided a possible tflop range based on the 1.8ghz clock, ranging from 36 CU's like PS4 Pro, all the way up to 60 CU's like AMD's current highest end PC GPU, Radeon 7, and that range is 8.3-13.8 tflops. Digital Foundry says to expect less than 60 CU's for sure, citing cost, heat, and yields as reasons why a high CU count are unlikely. DF says to expect between 10 and 12 tflop.



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shikamaru317 said:

There is a guy on Twitter going by the handle APISAK, who posts information that has been discovered in 3D Mark databases for unannounced chipsets. APISAK found an AMD chipset named Gonzalo that matches up to confirmed info about PS5's chipset from the interview with Mark Cerny. APISAK also provided proof that both PS4's and PS4 Pro's chipsets were tested in 3D Mark on PC before release. 

The Gonzalo was first listed in January 2019, listed as an engineering sample. This new listing is a for a qualification sample, which means that it is near final silicon. Here are the specs that were pulled from the new listing:

  • CPU- 8 core Ryzen, 1.6 ghz base clock, 3.2 ghz boost clock
  • GPU- 1.8 ghz
  • TDP- 95 watt

Unfortunately, we are still missing RAM information, and we are missing 1 key piece of information needed to determine the tflops of the GPU, the CU count. Digital Foundry provided a possible tflop range based on the 1.8ghz clock, ranging from 36 CU's like PS4 Pro, all the way up to 60 CU's like AMD's current highest end PC GPU, Radeon 7, and that range is 8.3-13.8 tflops. Digital Foundry says to expect less than 60 CU's for sure, citing cost, heat, and yields as reasons why a high CU count are unlikely. DF says to expect between 10 and 12 tflop.

The range is between 8 to 14, 7 teraflop they said, but Digital foundry said it's hard to believe so 12 teraflop is possible . Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 20 April 2019

HollyGamer said:
shikamaru317 said:

There is a guy on Twitter going by the handle APISAK, who posts information that has been discovered in 3D Mark databases for unannounced chipsets. APISAK found an AMD chipset named Gonzalo that matches up to confirmed info about PS5's chipset from the interview with Mark Cerny. APISAK also provided proof that both PS4's and PS4 Pro's chipsets were tested in 3D Mark on PC before release. 

The Gonzalo was first listed in January 2019, listed as an engineering sample. This new listing is a for a qualification sample, which means that it is near final silicon. Here are the specs that were pulled from the new listing:

  • CPU- 8 core Ryzen, 1.6 ghz base clock, 3.2 ghz boost clock
  • GPU- 1.8 ghz
  • TDP- 95 watt

Unfortunately, we are still missing RAM information, and we are missing 1 key piece of information needed to determine the tflops of the GPU, the CU count. Digital Foundry provided a possible tflop range based on the 1.8ghz clock, ranging from 36 CU's like PS4 Pro, all the way up to 60 CU's like AMD's current highest end PC GPU, Radeon 7, and that range is 8.3-13.8 tflops. Digital Foundry says to expect less than 60 CU's for sure, citing cost, heat, and yields as reasons why a high CU count are unlikely. DF says to expect between 10 and 12 tflop.

The range is between 8 to 14, 7 teraflop they said, but Digital foundry said it's hard to believe so 13 teraflop is possible  

The 14.7 was for the the max CU's possible on the GCN architecture, 64 CU's. Highly unlikely we would ever see a console with 64's CU's, issues with yields alone would drive the price through the roof. Radeon 7 has 60 CU's and it costs $700 right now. 



HollyGamer said:
shikamaru317 said:

There is a guy on Twitter going by the handle APISAK, who posts information that has been discovered in 3D Mark databases for unannounced chipsets. APISAK found an AMD chipset named Gonzalo that matches up to confirmed info about PS5's chipset from the interview with Mark Cerny. APISAK also provided proof that both PS4's and PS4 Pro's chipsets were tested in 3D Mark on PC before release. 

The Gonzalo was first listed in January 2019, listed as an engineering sample. This new listing is a for a qualification sample, which means that it is near final silicon. Here are the specs that were pulled from the new listing:

  • CPU- 8 core Ryzen, 1.6 ghz base clock, 3.2 ghz boost clock
  • GPU- 1.8 ghz
  • TDP- 95 watt

Unfortunately, we are still missing RAM information, and we are missing 1 key piece of information needed to determine the tflops of the GPU, the CU count. Digital Foundry provided a possible tflop range based on the 1.8ghz clock, ranging from 36 CU's like PS4 Pro, all the way up to 60 CU's like AMD's current highest end PC GPU, Radeon 7, and that range is 8.3-13.8 tflops. Digital Foundry says to expect less than 60 CU's for sure, citing cost, heat, and yields as reasons why a high CU count are unlikely. DF says to expect between 10 and 12 tflop.

Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

That pastebin leak is super fake:

-14 tflops is just not possible for a console, especially for the $450 price the leaker mentions.

-No way GTA 6 is 2020, we have reliable Rockstar leakers saying that Bully 2 is their next game and that GTA 6 won't release until 2022 or 2023. 

-I highly doubt that Battlefield Bad Company 3 is 2020. For starters, there are rumors that EA is about to announce big layoffs at Bioware and DICE in the wake of Anthem and Battlefield V's Battle Royale mode under-performing, including the closing of DICE Los Angeles. Secondly, a DICE design director posted a message recently saying that DICE was likely moving away from frequent sequels and paid season passes, to a model where new Battlefield and Battlefront will release every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years, with longer DLC support for each game. Battlefield Bad Company 3 in 2020, 2 years after Battlefield V, goes directly against what he said. 

-No way Gran Turismo 7 is 2020. Polyphony are notoriously slow developers, no way they can make GT7 in 3 years.



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

The range is between 8 to 14, 7 teraflop they said, but Digital foundry said it's hard to believe so 13 teraflop is possible  

The 14.7 was for the the max CU's possible on the GCN architecture, 64 CU's. Highly unlikely we would ever see a console with 64's CU's, issues with yields alone would drive the price through the roof. Radeon 7 has 60 CU's and it costs $700 right now. 

That's why I said probably 12 teraflop is still possible, hell even 60 CU is still possible, don't forget . Radeon 7 is Vega even it's still based on GCN it's still Vega. Also Navi 10 will be price around 269 USD by the new leak. So it might not be 14,7 but it might still possible to have 60 CU (13 teraflop) 



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shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

That pastebin leak is super fake:

-14 tflops is just not possible for a console, especially for the $450 price the leaker mentions.

-No way GTA 6 is 2020, we have reliable Rockstar leakers saying that Bully 2 is their next game and that GTA 6 won't release until 2022 or 2023. 

-I highly doubt that Battlefield Bad Company 3 is 2020. For starters, there are rumors that EA is about to announce big layoffs at Bioware and DICE in the wake of Anthem and Battlefield V's Battle Royale mode under-performing, including the closing of DICE Los Angeles. Secondly, a DICE design director posted a message recently saying that DICE was moving away from frequent sequels and paid DLC, to a model where new Battlefield and Battlefront will release every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years, with longer DLC support for each game. Battlefield Bad Company 3 in 2020, 2 years after Battlefield V, goes directly against what he said. 

-No way Gran Turismo 7 is 2020. Polyphony are notoriously slow developers, no way they can make GT7 in 3 years.

Most of the leak it's true LOL . 14, 7 might be the devkit (digital foundry also mention this)  , reveal date it's also true, Physical media also have been confirmed. The rest that you doubt probably just some random guess by the game developer. 



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

That pastebin leak is super fake:

-14 tflops is just not possible for a console, especially for the $450 price the leaker mentions.

-No way GTA 6 is 2020, we have reliable Rockstar leakers saying that Bully 2 is their next game and that GTA 6 won't release until 2022 or 2023. 

-I highly doubt that Battlefield Bad Company 3 is 2020. For starters, there are rumors that EA is about to announce big layoffs at Bioware and DICE in the wake of Anthem and Battlefield V's Battle Royale mode under-performing, including the closing of DICE Los Angeles. Secondly, a DICE design director posted a message recently saying that DICE was likely moving away from frequent sequels and paid season passes, to a model where new Battlefield and Battlefront will release every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years, with longer DLC support for each game. Battlefield Bad Company 3 in 2020, 2 years after Battlefield V, goes directly against what he said. 

-No way Gran Turismo 7 is 2020. Polyphony are notoriously slow developers, no way they can make GT7 in 3 years.

Digital Foundry Analysis also aligned with  this new Navi Leak , navi will be the new mainstream GPU that price around 300 USD to 269 USD. Look at  minute 10:07 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mJCOSXe_zc

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 20 April 2019

HollyGamer said:
shikamaru317 said:

The 14.7 was for the the max CU's possible on the GCN architecture, 64 CU's. Highly unlikely we would ever see a console with 64's CU's, issues with yields alone would drive the price through the roof. Radeon 7 has 60 CU's and it costs $700 right now. 

That's why I said probably 12 teraflop is still possible, hell even 60 CU is still possible, don't forget . Radeon 7 is Vega even it's still based on GCN it's still Vega. Also Navi 10 will be price around 269 USD by the new leak. So it might not be 14,7 but it might still possible to have 60 CU (13 teraflop) 

I can't see that happening. Navi 10 is a replacement for Polaris 30. Polaris 30 is a 7 tflop chip with 36 CU's, so 13 tflops and 60 CU's would be nearly double it's predecessor. AMD has never managed to release a new GPU generation with a performance improvement of more than 1.5x over the previous generation afaik. For instance, Polaris 30, RX 590, offered a 1.4x improvement in flops over the previous generation GPU it replaced, the R9 390.



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

That's why I said probably 12 teraflop is still possible, hell even 60 CU is still possible, don't forget . Radeon 7 is Vega even it's still based on GCN it's still Vega. Also Navi 10 will be price around 269 USD by the new leak. So it might not be 14,7 but it might still possible to have 60 CU (13 teraflop) 

I can't see that happening. Navi 10 is a replacement for Polaris 30. Polaris 30 is a 7 tflop chip with 36 CU's, so 13 tflops and 60 CU's would be nearly double it's predecessor. AMD has never managed to release a new GPU generation with a performance improvement of more than 1.5x over the previous generation afaik. For instance, Polaris 30, RX 590, offered a 1.4x improvement in flops over the previous generation GPU it replaced, the R9 390.

SO you contradicted your own original post??? AMD gonzalo is based on Navi 10 



HollyGamer said:
shikamaru317 said:

I can't see that happening. Navi 10 is a replacement for Polaris 30. Polaris 30 is a 7 tflop chip with 36 CU's, so 13 tflops and 60 CU's would be nearly double it's predecessor. AMD has never managed to release a new GPU generation with a performance improvement of more than 1.5x over the previous generation afaik. For instance, Polaris 30, RX 590, offered a 1.4x improvement in flops over the previous generation GPU it replaced, the R9 390.

SO you contradicted your own original post??? 

How so? If AMD can manage to pull off a 1.5x improvement again, that would put Navi 10 at 10.6 tflops, which is within the 10-12 tflop range that Digital Foundry says to expect for PS5 in the video. If they can pull off a 1.6x improvement, which they have never done before to my knowledge, but might be possible since they have been working on Navi for nearly 3 years since Polaris released, that would put Navi 10 at 11.4 tflops (very close to the 11.1 tflop 48 compute unit number in the video). 

All I'm saying is, keep your expectations in check. Better to be pleasantly surprised if AMD does pull off a big improvement for Navi 10 over it's predecessor, than to be disappointed because you are expecting high end performance numbers from a mid-range chipset.