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Encouraging prepubescent gender transformation is...

A good thing. Not child abuse. 10 14.93%
 
A bad thing. Child abuse. 40 59.70%
 
Depends on the situation. (In comments) 17 25.37%
 
Total:67
o_O.Q on 20 April 2019
sundin13 said:
Your OP kind of frames the debate by using some loaded language that isn't really present in the examples. You claim that these parents are pushing their children, however in both examples you provided, it appears that the children are the ones who are being allowed to lead and express their own identities in the way they see fit. In my opinion, the only way to see such a thing as child abuse is if your own biases lead you to believe that Transgender identity is wrong in some way.

when i was a child i pretended to be batman for a while, then superman, then a ninja turtle etc etc etc

but obviously like with all play acting that children engage in it was not encouraged as a lifestyle choice

to what percent is this temporary play acting that children are then encouraged to view as a permanent lifestyle? 



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2019
LuccaCardoso1 said:
Puberty doesn't play a role in this discussion because a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality. Using the word "encourage" is pretty shitty in this case, as it makes it sound like the parents are pushing the kids to make a decision. It's not something you should encourage, but it's something the child should know about and something that should be supported in case the child feels that way.

"a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality"

what?



o_O.Q on 20 April 2019
Hiku said:

Identity is not the same as sexuality. Some people are asexual for example.

I don't think anyone should 'push' their children into lifelong decisions, but in the examples you provided I don't think anyone was mentioned pushing these children.

As for how a parent should handle such a situation with a younger child, I guess you let the child figure it out over time.

"Identity is not the same as sexuality. Some people are asexual for example."

do those people identify as asexual?



eva01beserk on 20 April 2019
o_O.Q said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:
Puberty doesn't play a role in this discussion because a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality. Using the word "encourage" is pretty shitty in this case, as it makes it sound like the parents are pushing the kids to make a decision. It's not something you should encourage, but it's something the child should know about and something that should be supported in case the child feels that way.

"a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality"

what?



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2019

i just love how on this topic the people normally fighting to reduce the differences between men and women completely flip flop and fight to widen them again lol



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eva01beserk on 20 April 2019
o_O.Q said:
i just love how on this topic the people normally fighting to reduce the differences between men and women completely flip flop and fight to widen them again lol

Dont forget, gender is also a social construct, lgbt is not a choice.



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2019
eva01beserk said:
o_O.Q said:
i just love how on this topic the people normally fighting to reduce the differences between men and women completely flip flop and fight to widen them again lol

Dont forget, gender is also a social construct, lgbt is not a choice.

its just the glaring inconsistency that gets me every time with these things

i mean yes gender is a social construct to an extent but its also mostly derived from our sex and to deny that is lunacy



Lucca on 20 April 2019
o_O.Q said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:
Puberty doesn't play a role in this discussion because a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality. Using the word "encourage" is pretty shitty in this case, as it makes it sound like the parents are pushing the kids to make a decision. It's not something you should encourage, but it's something the child should know about and something that should be supported in case the child feels that way.

"a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality"

what?

Identity is about who you are. For example, male. Sexuality is about who you're sexually attracted to. For example, bisexual.

Indentity and sexuality are independent, one does not restrict the other. Therefore, they have nothing to do with each other.

You'll only know who you're sexually attracted to once you hit puberty, but you can know who you are much earlier.



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2019
LuccaCardoso1 said:
o_O.Q said:

"a person's identity has nothing to do with sexuality"

what?

Identity is about who you are. For example, male. Sexuality is about who you're sexually attracted to. For example, bisexual.

Indentity and sexuality are independent, one does not restrict the other. Therefore, they have nothing to do with each other.

You'll only know who you're sexually attracted to once you hit puberty, but you can know who you are much earlier.

and you don't think your perception of who you are is impacted by your body? really?



sundin13 on 20 April 2019

Quick side note, I see no reason to dignify o.o's obviously bad faith posts with a response and I suggest others do the same.

eva01beserk said:

But its not a kids believe when the kid has no idea what its talking about. A kid dosent know what it wants, dosent even know whats right or wrong. A kid would die in a day or 2 if left on its own. What makes you think it can decide this. Its like a religion, if taught  from early enough a kid will not question anything and in some cases be extreme like hating others,, wanting gays killed and other shit. Yes they grow out of it when the parents or church dont have as much influence on them but it still makes thouse kids outcast in a regular school for the believe they dont hold anymore. It leaves scars as much as you say is reversible.

Parents or guardians should definitely force their believe on young children. Its only natural to live the same as a family. But as the kid grows up if the kid does not like the way of life the kid should be allowed to be what it wants. Its called parenting. Be there when they need you, and let them be their own person when they dont need you. The key is knowing when kids need you or not.

Not downplaying what any groups suffered. Im downplaying what society in large considers abuse these days. I think people have become this oversensitive crystal that is going to brake unless everything goes 100% their way. Again, I dont need to go far to look at some points:

You continue to say that a kid doesn't understand, however you have yet to actually back that up. Others have provided information indicating that children do understand gender and on occasion do experience gender dysphoria.

Besides that, again you use the mistreatment of transgendered individuals as an argument against transition. It's still a bad argument.

Then from there, you get into a truly bizarre parenting point which you've already made clear doesn't go both ways. You say that parents should force their beliefs on children but as soon as the conversation turns away from forcing cis identity to forcing trans identity that position seems to quickly go away.

And finally you use a silly anecdote to again make light of the abuse that trans individuals face.

It appears that we've reached the end of the conversation.