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Encouraging prepubescent gender transformation is...

A good thing. Not child abuse. 10 15.15%
 
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Immersiveunreality said:
Torillian said:

Again, stop just asserting that supporting a child in their gender identity is bad for them and show me the evidence. I've got research showing that trans youth who were supported in their transition have no different suicide rate than the general population. So, if you want to make the claim that supporting a child in that manner is causing them suffering then show me something other than your assertion. 

How in the ever living fuck is supporting a child in whatever they decide about their gender (even if they change it more than once) erasing the individual child? Seriously, draw that link for me. Because I have never said that forcing a child in either direction is the way to go so obviously that first part doesn't apply, and I've seen no research that supporting a child who thinks their trans who later decides otherwise is detrimental. 

No you better just stop seeing everything so black or white while also assuming thoughts onto others,no one is telling you that supporting a child is bad but you just cant seem to look past that and good you have research showing that they do not have higher suicide rates for trans while ignoring all the counterinfo at the same time.(It is also sad that you think no different suicide rates equals in no suffering even if when that is a faulthy claim)

The transgender community as a whole has a higher suicide rate and the ones that are forcefully included in it belong to that community and if you cannot grasp why people that deal with identity problems have a higher chance at being depressed then i fear you really are not open for discussion.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20174218

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/special-reports/impact-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-suicide-risk-implications-assessment-and-treatment

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4874761/

Again pay attention,there is nothing wrong with supporting a child but not all of these cases are supporting the child and the concern of people in this thread are for those children and none is against the whole concept but there is still a lot of work needed to make this practice more safe for children because parents can be twisted.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi

http://www.mafamily.org/human-sexuality/daddys-boy-forced-to-be-mommys-girl/10075/

http://www.theunknownbutnothidden.com/boy-forced-girl-controversial-nature-vs-nurture-experiment/

People show concern for the children and that should be a good thing so just stop making your assumptions that it must be because they think supporting gender identity is bad and read their posts again before you go on with the hyperbole accuses.

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

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Ka-pi96 said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

It's only inconsistent because you want it to be.

No one denies biological sex. Everyone is born in one of two (except for Intersex people). Biological sex and gender are different things. Gender is a social construct in the sense that what each gender is expected to do and how each gender is expected to behave are mostly socially created and have nothing to do with biology.

People are born with a biological sex, a gender and a sexuality. The latter two cannot be changed, they can only be discovered. In like 99% of the cases, the biological sex matches the gender. When it doesn't, that person is transgender. Being transgender doesn't mean the person identifies with the opposite gender (male-female), it just means they don't identify with a gender that matches their biological sex. They can not identify as any gender, for example.

Being LGBT+ is not a choice. You are born being LGBT+. Only the most crazily extremist think that everything is a social construct, but so few people think that you might as well dismiss it. You only think of it as inconsistent because you think of the LGBT+ community as a single, unified group, and with the ideas of the most extremist individuals in that group.

I don't buy this whole "gender and sex are different" thing. So care to explain how exactly men/women are expected to behave?

Do you consider me a woman because I prefer to cook than chop down trees? Do you consider women that join the army to be men? Do you consider Scottish people that prefer skirts (technically kilts, but eh, they're the same for all intents and purposes) to trousers women? Do you consider anybody that likes to have sex with men women?

Because if any of those are true then it's either a load of bullshit, homophobic or both. So how exactly are men/women "expected to behave"?

There isn't really anything to "buy" here. Ignoring the fact that we have words for these things real quick, it shouldn't be difficult to understand that there are both biological and social aspects of maleness and femaleness. Biological aspects of maleness/femaleness involve things like chromosomes and genital formation, while social aspects involve things like clothing choice and hobby choice. We know if we see someone wearing a dress, high heels and lipstick, that they are following social norms regarding femaleness. The very fact that you bring up things like chopping trees, joining the army, and wearing skirts or trousers here demonstrates that there are societal expectation of those things involving maleness and femaleness.

The word used to describe those societal norms is "gender".

Does this mean that someone who identifies as a female has to embody literally every aspect of femaleness? Of course not. There are a few different concepts which must be discussed here (and I want to keep this brief), but first I want to mention that our binary definitions of gender should be seen as a semantic limitation and not a functional one. This leads me to the first concept:

Gender expression - Gender expression refers simply to how an individual expresses themselves in relation to gender. Which norms do they adhere to and which norms do they not adhere to? As stated above, individuals rarely completely match social expectations for one gender so this basically refers to the spectrum between hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity and everything in between.

Gender identity - Gender identity refers to the psychological aspects which point to how an individual identifies. This is up to the individual and is not assigned. No one is a woman because they express feminine characteristics or wear skirts, however, typically those who exhibit more "feminine" gender expression identity more as a woman (but not always).

Finally, sexuality doesn't really play into this question here, because sexuality isn't really social in the same way as the norms that we are speaking about. There are non-chosen aspects of sexuality which largely separates it from issues relating to transgenderism.



Torillian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

No you better just stop seeing everything so black or white while also assuming thoughts onto others,no one is telling you that supporting a child is bad but you just cant seem to look past that and good you have research showing that they do not have higher suicide rates for trans while ignoring all the counterinfo at the same time.(It is also sad that you think no different suicide rates equals in no suffering even if when that is a faulthy claim)

The transgender community as a whole has a higher suicide rate and the ones that are forcefully included in it belong to that community and if you cannot grasp why people that deal with identity problems have a higher chance at being depressed then i fear you really are not open for discussion.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20174218

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/special-reports/impact-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-suicide-risk-implications-assessment-and-treatment

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4874761/

Again pay attention,there is nothing wrong with supporting a child but not all of these cases are supporting the child and the concern of people in this thread are for those children and none is against the whole concept but there is still a lot of work needed to make this practice more safe for children because parents can be twisted.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi

http://www.mafamily.org/human-sexuality/daddys-boy-forced-to-be-mommys-girl/10075/

http://www.theunknownbutnothidden.com/boy-forced-girl-controversial-nature-vs-nurture-experiment/

People show concern for the children and that should be a good thing so just stop making your assumptions that it must be because they think supporting gender identity is bad and read their posts again before you go on with the hyperbole accuses.

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

You view actual support of a child and fictional support as the very same thing as long as it exists under the same idea?

What are you even arguing about.

Bolded :That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported".

Also your condencending example is laughable cause people in here are talking about that not all kids firstly know whats healthy for them and that some parents can misuse the whole concept to push genderpolitcal agenda on their own kids but they do not talk about healthy support being bad so you are missing the point of it all.

Again, dont start an argument with me when you need to put words into my mouth to win it.

Btw : I did read the link for your "evidence" and that is good information unrelated to your point but you do not understand the material if you call that evidence and on that very same site there is also lots of research to be found for higher suicide rates in the trans community so it is almost safe to assume you cherrypick information.



sundin13 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I don't buy this whole "gender and sex are different" thing. So care to explain how exactly men/women are expected to behave?

Do you consider me a woman because I prefer to cook than chop down trees? Do you consider women that join the army to be men? Do you consider Scottish people that prefer skirts (technically kilts, but eh, they're the same for all intents and purposes) to trousers women? Do you consider anybody that likes to have sex with men women?

Because if any of those are true then it's either a load of bullshit, homophobic or both. So how exactly are men/women "expected to behave"?

There isn't really anything to "buy" here. Ignoring the fact that we have words for these things real quick, it shouldn't be difficult to understand that there are both biological and social aspects of maleness and femaleness. Biological aspects of maleness/femaleness involve things like chromosomes and genital formation, while social aspects involve things like clothing choice and hobby choice. We know if we see someone wearing a dress, high heels and lipstick, that they are following social norms regarding femaleness. The very fact that you bring up things like chopping trees, joining the army, and wearing skirts or trousers here demonstrates that there are societal expectation of those things involving maleness and femaleness.

The word used to describe those societal norms is "gender".

Does this mean that someone who identifies as a female has to embody literally every aspect of femaleness? Of course not. There are a few different concepts which must be discussed here (and I want to keep this brief), but first I want to mention that our binary definitions of gender should be seen as a semantic limitation and not a functional one. This leads me to the first concept:

Gender expression - Gender expression refers simply to how an individual expresses themselves in relation to gender. Which norms do they adhere to and which norms do they not adhere to? As stated above, individuals rarely completely match social expectations for one gender so this basically refers to the spectrum between hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity and everything in between.

Gender identity - Gender identity refers to the psychological aspects which point to how an individual identifies. This is up to the individual and is not assigned. No one is a woman because they express feminine characteristics or wear skirts, however, typically those who exhibit more "feminine" gender expression identity more as a woman (but not always).

Finally, sexuality doesn't really play into this question here, because sexuality isn't really social in the same way as the norms that we are speaking about. There are non-chosen aspects of sexuality which largely separates it from issues relating to transgenderism.

So it's just about expectations? See, that's why I call bullshit. If you're a man and you like wearing dresses then that doesn't make you a woman. You're just a man that likes dresses. Why not just accept that? Some people may think it's weird, but if people didn't do things that others might consider weird then nobody would ever do anything.

Now if the problem is that they don't like the biological body they have then I can sympathise with those people. But anything less than that and I have no sympathy for them. They're just pretending to be something they're not for no reason.



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Immersiveunreality said:
Torillian said:

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

You view actual support of a child and fictional support as the very same thing as long as it exists under the same idea?

What are you even arguing about.

Bolded :That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported".

Also your condencending example is laughable cause people in here are talking about that not all kids firstly know whats healthy for them and that some parents can misuse the whole concept to push genderpolitcal agenda on their own kids but they do not talk about healthy support being bad so you are missing the point of it all.

Again, dont start an argument with me when you need to put words into my mouth to win it.

Btw : I did read the link for your "evidence" and that is good information unrelated to your point but you do not understand the material if you call that evidence and on that very same site there is also lots of research to be found for higher suicide rates in the trans community so it is almost safe to assume you cherrypick information.

NO idea what you're getting at with the first statement, please rephrase.

What I've seen is people equating supporting a kid's gender choices with letting them drink, do drugs, or join a fucking war because kids don't know what they want. Tell me how that isn't assuming harm from the choice, and against the idea of supporting the kid's choices. 

The example gets to the most important question in this entire god damned thread. If you can't answer that then what are you disagreeing with? You think we're talking past each other, fine, tell me your actual position on the example in question and we can really quickly and easily figure out if we actually disagree. So again, your 3-6 year old says they're a girl when you thought they were a boy, what do you do?

Go ahead and explain to me how that evidence doesn't apply and give me the other links. I literally googled the effects of transitioning on transgender suicide rates and found that paper. So if you have other information then link it. Show me a study. 

Here's a link to the study in question to make sure we're talking about the same thing:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223

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Ka-pi96 said:
sundin13 said:

There isn't really anything to "buy" here. Ignoring the fact that we have words for these things real quick, it shouldn't be difficult to understand that there are both biological and social aspects of maleness and femaleness. Biological aspects of maleness/femaleness involve things like chromosomes and genital formation, while social aspects involve things like clothing choice and hobby choice. We know if we see someone wearing a dress, high heels and lipstick, that they are following social norms regarding femaleness. The very fact that you bring up things like chopping trees, joining the army, and wearing skirts or trousers here demonstrates that there are societal expectation of those things involving maleness and femaleness.

The word used to describe those societal norms is "gender".

Does this mean that someone who identifies as a female has to embody literally every aspect of femaleness? Of course not. There are a few different concepts which must be discussed here (and I want to keep this brief), but first I want to mention that our binary definitions of gender should be seen as a semantic limitation and not a functional one. This leads me to the first concept:

Gender expression - Gender expression refers simply to how an individual expresses themselves in relation to gender. Which norms do they adhere to and which norms do they not adhere to? As stated above, individuals rarely completely match social expectations for one gender so this basically refers to the spectrum between hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity and everything in between.

Gender identity - Gender identity refers to the psychological aspects which point to how an individual identifies. This is up to the individual and is not assigned. No one is a woman because they express feminine characteristics or wear skirts, however, typically those who exhibit more "feminine" gender expression identity more as a woman (but not always).

Finally, sexuality doesn't really play into this question here, because sexuality isn't really social in the same way as the norms that we are speaking about. There are non-chosen aspects of sexuality which largely separates it from issues relating to transgenderism.

So it's just about expectations? See, that's why I call bullshit. If you're a man and you like wearing dresses then that doesn't make you a woman. You're just a man that likes dresses. Why not just accept that? Some people may think it's weird, but if people didn't do things that others might consider weird then nobody would ever do anything.

Now if the problem is that they don't like the biological body they have then I can sympathise with those people. But anything less than that and I have no sympathy for them. They're just pretending to be something they're not for no reason.

Gender refers more to "norms" than "expectations", but that is pretty close.

As for your "man that wears dresses" example, you are speaking about gender expression here. This is something that I acknowledged in my last post. Some people are fine with being a man that wears dresses and expression does not force identity. There are entire subcultures dedicated to cross dressing and there is nothing wrong with that. However, these people tend to still identify as a man. That is where gender identity comes in. And yes, often their physical body does create discomfort. That is why transitioning is often employed. To allow an individual's body to match their identity.

Beyond that, it seems to be largely personal, emotional views which don't really have much of a root in facts and to be frank, your opinion isn't really the one that matters here. No one should care whether you think they should transition (I don't mean this in a rude way). What should matter is whether an individual would be more comfortable and be able to lead the life they wish to lead were they to transition. If you put a typical lumberjack looking man in a dress, they aren't going to be able to live as a woman without significant impediments. Transitioning often removes some of those impediments.



sundin13 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I don't buy this whole "gender and sex are different" thing. So care to explain how exactly men/women are expected to behave?

Do you consider me a woman because I prefer to cook than chop down trees? Do you consider women that join the army to be men? Do you consider Scottish people that prefer skirts (technically kilts, but eh, they're the same for all intents and purposes) to trousers women? Do you consider anybody that likes to have sex with men women?

Because if any of those are true then it's either a load of bullshit, homophobic or both. So how exactly are men/women "expected to behave"?

There isn't really anything to "buy" here. Ignoring the fact that we have words for these things real quick, it shouldn't be difficult to understand that there are both biological and social aspects of maleness and femaleness. Biological aspects of maleness/femaleness involve things like chromosomes and genital formation, while social aspects involve things like clothing choice and hobby choice. We know if we see someone wearing a dress, high heels and lipstick, that they are following social norms regarding femaleness. The very fact that you bring up things like chopping trees, joining the army, and wearing skirts or trousers here demonstrates that there are societal expectation of those things involving maleness and femaleness.

The word used to describe those societal norms is "gender".

Does this mean that someone who identifies as a female has to embody literally every aspect of femaleness? Of course not. There are a few different concepts which must be discussed here (and I want to keep this brief), but first I want to mention that our binary definitions of gender should be seen as a semantic limitation and not a functional one. This leads me to the first concept:

Gender expression - Gender expression refers simply to how an individual expresses themselves in relation to gender. Which norms do they adhere to and which norms do they not adhere to? As stated above, individuals rarely completely match social expectations for one gender so this basically refers to the spectrum between hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity and everything in between.

Gender identity - Gender identity refers to the psychological aspects which point to how an individual identifies. This is up to the individual and is not assigned. No one is a woman because they express feminine characteristics or wear skirts, however, typically those who exhibit more "feminine" gender expression identity more as a woman (but not always).

Finally, sexuality doesn't really play into this question here, because sexuality isn't really social in the same way as the norms that we are speaking about. There are non-chosen aspects of sexuality which largely separates it from issues relating to transgenderism.

" We know if we see someone wearing a dress, high heels and lipstick, that they are following social norms regarding femaleness."

and that should make them a woman in your view?



o_O.Q said:
Hiku said:

They don't have to.
But asexual people exist.

If someone said something specific, quote them on it. Don't make these generalized strawman arguments, trying to flamebait.
Fighting for gender equal rights in society does not mean they think there is no difference between men and women.
You know that.

"They don't have to.
But asexual people exist."

my point is that you are identifying them as asexual then claiming that their sexuality has nothing to do with their identity... doesn't that strike you as ironic?


First of all when repeating something specific someone said that's available for you to copy and paste, try not to misquote them.
I said "Identity is not the same as sexuality". I did not say it "has nothing to do with it".

And are you saying you do not understand the distinction between these two concepts?

"Not the same as" meaning it's not the defining characteristic of someone's identity, or gender.
It can be part of someone's identity. And it may not be for others.
And in the case of some asexual people, sexuality is not a factor.
Some women are attracted to other women, etc.

And secondly, I'm 'identifying' them as asexual?
Are you playing semantics here?

o_O.Q said:
i did not make a strawman(since i could post examples fo this actually happening) 

You should do that instead. Because often times misunderstandings occur. Case in point, like how you were convinced that I meant that sexuality has 'nothing to do with' identity. Even though you could just read what I said.
But instead you're ridiculing anyone who recognize themselves in "fighting to reduce the differences between men and women", without singling anyone out. Which conveniently absolves you from having to back up your claim, or being retorted.

o_O.Q said:

and i do not know what flamebaiting is"Fighting for gender equal rights in society does not mean they think there is no difference between men and women.You know that."i'd appreciate it very much if you didn't try to tell me what i actually believewhat does fighting for gender equal rights mean exactly? are you implying that we have one set of laws for men and another for women?as far as i understand we have one set of laws and we apply those laws to both genders, can you elaborate on what you mean by fighting for gender equal rights?

I'd be more inclined to believe that you don't know what you were doing if it weren't for your very extensive history of getting in trouble for antagonizing others, flaming, trolling, etc. I can say that you know exactly what you're doing, even if you don't appreciate that.

And rather than asking me to give you a crash course in the fight for social equality, which I can already see how it'll devolve given you've gotten in trouble over this very subject before, how about you quote the specific comments you were referring to earlier?

That way those people get a chance to respond and defend themselves, rather than it just being one sided with you taking jabs at them, and the rest of us can see if they really are the equivalent of flip-flopping, as you claim.

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This is a very serious and multi-faceted topic that I will try my best to explain my current stance on it. Apologies in advance if it comes across as scattered.

I'm not a parent, but from talking with and observing many parents and child psychologists, I'm of the opinion that pre-teens (and even in some cases teenage) gender swapping/transitioning, especially when encouraged by the parents is poor parenting and yes child abuse.

Some children identify as fire trucks and other non gendered objects in early ages. Sexuality in general is an odd and oft debated topic, especially in the contemporary. The data suggests that people's sexual identity and preferences are dependent on their parenting and how their male/female parental role models behaved with each other and towards the child.

For the record, Charlize Theron, is a single mother with two adopted children, divorced from her husband, living in a specific area of the US that comes of a great deal of scrutiny for it's controversial opinions. Take of all of that whatever you will.

One last point, transitioned individuals (adults, teens and children) often suffer from extreme depression, regret of their decision, and are at high risk of suicide.



StriderKiwi said:
This is a very serious and multi-faceted topic that I will try my best to explain my current stance on it. Apologies in advance if it comes across as scattered.

I'm not a parent, but from talking with and observing many parents and child psychologists, I'm of the opinion that pre-teens (and even in some cases teenage) gender swapping/transitioning, especially when encouraged by the parents is poor parenting and yes child abuse.

Some children identify as fire trucks and other non gendered objects in early ages. Sexuality in general is an odd and oft debated topic, especially in the contemporary. The data suggests that people's sexual identity and preferences are dependent on their parenting and how their male/female parental role models behaved with each other and towards the child.

For the record, Charlize Theron, is a single mother with two adopted children, divorced from her husband, living in a specific area of the US that comes of a great deal of scrutiny for it's controversial opinions. Take of all of that whatever you will.

One last point, transitioned individuals (adults, teens and children) often suffer from extreme depression, regret of their decision, and are at high risk of suicide.

First of all, as many individuals have already said, gender identity is not sexuality. The two things should not be conflated.

Second, while some very young children may claim to be non-human things, simply saying you are something isn't really the requirements that we are speaking about here. The general guideline asks if a child is "consistent, insistent, and persistent about their transgender identity". This is typically not the case with children claiming to be firetrucks. They might claim to be a firetruck when playing with their Legos, but if you come back to them three months later there is pretty good chance that they aren't going to honestly claim to be. There is more than that, but simply saying "I heard a child say that they were a truck once so this is all invalid" is a fairly poor argument. Further, the children tend to grow out of that when they age past, like, five years old, yet you make the claim that even teens in some cases should not be allowed to express their transgender identity.

Third, you lastly point out that transitioned individuals often suffer from certain psychological issues. First of all, I would like to say that the rate of regret tends to be fairly low, especially when transitioning is done in tandem with psychological counseling and recommendation. Second, I would like to again argue that a large part of the reason that transgendered individuals have a high suicide rate is their societal treatment, including difficulty with people allowing or accepting their transition. Studies have shown that the negative psychological trends associated with transgender identity largely subside when an individual is in an accepting environment and further subside when allowed to begin transitioning before adulthood. Finally, I would again like to argue that bringing up the suicide rate as an argument against transgenderism is a very poor argument because it asserts that we should value the abuser over the abused. It is saying that the abused should stop living the way that they wish to live because society cannot help but abuse them. I argue that anyone honestly concerned with the health of transgendered individuals should allow them to transition and treat them with respect instead of telling them that they shouldn't live the way they want to.

Here is a link to an earlier post detailing some of the research indicating that quality of life increases for transgendered individuals after being allowed to transition:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9001101