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What should the PS5 & Xbox 4 cost at launch?

$500 (high specs) 45 60.81%
 
$450 (moderate specs) 8 10.81%
 
$400 (low specs) 21 28.38%
 
Total:74

The fans Will get it, even if its more than 500€. And if ir deliver the non fans will get it later.



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It has to be. Otherwise there will be little reason to upgrade for those who have a Pro/X, as the visuals will be practically the same. And to make them visibly better in the graphics department, there needs to be hardware, that's pretty much high-end right now - and that doesn't come cheap.

Seriously, even at 500$, I expect them to sell the consoles at a serious loss. 700-800$ is what I expect the consoles to be costing in manufacture, plus shipping...

The GPU needs to be at least on par with a Vega 56 to make a visible difference to the One X, and those cost around 270-300€ right now. And that's just the GPU without the CPU, RAM, or any other parts. A previous Gen Ryzen 8 core chip still goes for about 200€, and AMD won't let this opportunity pass to make a buck. Expect around 400€ just for the APU, 450 with cooler and Motherboard. Add the RAM (70-150€ depending on the amount and standard), SSD, HDD (just SSD would inflate the price even further, 250€ for a 2TB SSD, 150€ for a small SSD coupled to a bigger HDD), casing, packaging (30-50€)

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 18 April 2019

Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:
Yes it is, PS3 launched at 599 and had sales, X1 and X1X also had sales launching at 499. But still for obvious reason there is more initial sales when launching at 399 and good product than at 499.

Are you seriously using 2 stumbled launches that cost their platform owners nearly half the customers they had built up from the previous generation as a sign that the mass market consumer wants to pay $500 or more for a video game console?  The PS3 had sales at $599, sure.  But, was it "good sales" if there were 70 million less PlayStation owners from the previous gen?  The Xbox One had sales at $499, sure.  But, were they "good sales", if Microsoft may have lost 50% of it's own customer base from the previous gen?  I would say no based on just the fact that Microsoft does not even announce sold numbers for the Xbox One or Xbox One X.  When you aren't announcing milestones, you aren't exactly happy with your sales, are you?  

You are certainly reading it wrong, or with some different intent.

The point is that even at those high price point they sold well at launch, that is all there is. I even said that it will do much better at 399.

PS4 will end up selling 30M less than PS2 so it must have been a failure as well right? PS3 and X1 wouldn't ever sell near close to their predecessors because X360 was a worth contender for PS3 so even if PS3 didn't made major mistakes it would probably still sit 100-120M total, while PS4 was a much better proposition than X1 (besides MS only being relevant in US and UK) so it also wouldn't ever cross 70M.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

trunkswd said:
While this doesn't mean it will apply again in the future, but Microsoft and Sony have sold consoles at a loss before and make up the difference with 1 or 2 game sold per system. Then add on the money being made with Xbox Live Gold and PlayStation Plus.

I still think $399 at launch would sell much better than $499. But it depends on the specs and how much MS and Sony are willing to lose per console sold. The consoles will generally sell well the first couple months, but both need a steady stream of quality exclusives. Nintendo launching the Switch with BotW really helped, then MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey over the next several months after launch helped keep the sales up.

Rumor has it that Sony is planning to take a $100 hit with a $500 pricepoint. Even with software and services It would be hard for them to take a $200 hit on every console sold if they sell the PS5 at $400 at launch.



I think the reason that the PS3 -> PS4 jump wasn't that great was due to the fact that Sony released the PS3 at $599 (and wasn't that at a loss of $150 per box initially?), compared to the PS4 which launched at $399, and was supposedly estimated to cost $381 at launch, according to enGadget.

An extra $100 investment on the internals of the system at launch could go a long way into making a better console in the long run. Now I'm not sure whether or not it's a good idea in terms of profitability and sales, but for me personally, $1000 could disappear from my bank and I probably wouldn't even notice, so I'm all for Sony making the best console they can afford.

Source: https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/



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Can't Sony realistically release a new high spec console at U$399 or at the very least at U$449 7 years after they managed that with the PS4? Or is the PS5 really going to be unbelievably more powerful in terms of technology that would justify a U$499 price tag?



Nope, 500$/499$ is way too high. Remember, these are made for gaming, a small part in your average entertainment schedule. Yes, it does Netflix, Youtube and other stuff. But so do your TV and/or your last gen console. Or even your Smartphone/tablet through Miracast/Google Cast/Air Play.

You won't spend 500$ in a Blu-Ray player either, it's just for watching movies.



ptofhearts said:
Can't Sony realistically release a new high spec console at U$399 or at the very least at U$449 7 years after they managed that with the PS4? Or is the PS5 really going to be unbelievably more powerful in terms of technology that would justify a U$499 price tag?

The part you are having problems with is the usage of the word "high-spec". The poll used "low-specs", "medium-specs", and "high-specs" as a way of categorizing the different price points.

More powerful hardware costs more money. Or are you under the impression that $499 is a price beyond the scope of what powerful hardware can cost (i.e., there is no hardware powerful enough to cost $499)?



Yes, since specifications allow developers and players to be impressed.



RaptorChrist said:
ptofhearts said:
Can't Sony realistically release a new high spec console at U$399 or at the very least at U$449 7 years after they managed that with the PS4? Or is the PS5 really going to be unbelievably more powerful in terms of technology that would justify a U$499 price tag?

The part you are having problems with is the usage of the word "high-spec". The poll used "low-specs", "medium-specs", and "high-specs" as a way of categorizing the different price points.

More powerful hardware costs more money. Or are you under the impression that $499 is a price beyond the scope of what powerful hardware can cost (i.e., there is no hardware powerful enough to cost $499)?

What I'm trying to say is can't Sony reach a balance between having a powerful enough console for today's standards at a U$399 price tag? Of course more powerful hardware costs more money, but seven years ago a high end console that was the PS4 cost U$399 for consumers, can't a high end console today cost the same? Is it really that advantageous to go as far as to create hardware that will cost U$499?