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HoangNhatAnh on 21 April 2019

twintail said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Sony could release the patch to censor it like the China ver but they didn't, right?

It is not a Sony game so they would not release a patch for it.

And the policy is not retroactive, that much is obvious from the complete lack of older games being patched to be censored. 

Except MS 2 China ver was censored by a patch, Sony could ask the developer to do the same with JP ver 



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StriderKiwi on 21 April 2019
shikamaru317 said:

According to Cnet, a Sony representative told the Wall Street Journal that "its decision was based on the rise of the #MeToo movement", which has seen powerful individuals across the tech, entertainment, and music industries ousted from their positions amid accusations of sexual assault and harassment.

The crackdown on sexually explicit content comes five years after the Gamergate controversy swept the internet, which saw game developers Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn (among many more), become the targets of harassment campaigns after they criticized the way women are represented in video games.Â
 

Because the birthrates aren't declining fast enough dammit! No skin for little Timmy, he's a good Catholic school boy who never has naughty thoughts and waits till marriage (or never) to have sex!

Think of the children who play M rated games! They can't think for themselves! If men see this much skin they may, *GASP* MASTURBATE!

Also, when your policy is based around misunderstanding two different bullshit movements, you know you done fucked up already.

It will be hilarious to see these Japanese games (and presumably Western games once this BS policy spreads in scope) start to prefer Microsoft, Steam, Google and fucking Nintendo as a result. Because if there's a demand, someone will supply it. And a quick glance at modern Japanese culture has taught us that there is a monumental demand for naughty gaming content.

Do you think the Dead or Alive developers are just going to stop making games? Like this policy will make them go "welp, we're closing up shop. It was a good run but time to lay off everyone!"

I eagerly look forward to when capitalism gives Sony a pounding like it did back in 2006.



HoangNhatAnh on 21 April 2019
twintail said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Except MS 2 China ver was censored by a patch, Sony could ask the developer to do the same with JP ver 

That is a fair point, it was patched.

But the policy went into affect before the game's release so the devs had to comply. MS2 China released on the 18th October. We know from an Xseed tweet that changes were being made (censorship) on the 13th. 

The patch would have had to have devs work on the code, submit it for approval, wait for the approval, and then have it released, which explains why it was not released day 1 with the Chinese release. 

At the end of the day, the game released after the policy took affect and the devs hadn't censored it before release, most likely not their fault.

Yeah, Sony could have asked the developer to censor it in Japan at the same time but they didn't. And that is why a game which didn't get censored in Japan doesn't guarantee it will be safe in other countries



HoangNhatAnh on 22 April 2019
twintail said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Yeah, Sony could have asked the developer to censor it in Japan at the same time but they didn't. And that is why a game which didn't get censored in Japan doesn't guarantee it will be safe in other countries

The Chinese release was AFTER the policy implementation which means it should have been censored upon release. The fact that it wasn't is what promoted the patch.

The JPN version was released 2 - 3 months BEFORE the policy which is why there is no 'could have': it doesn't fall under the new policy so it is not affected.

Your conclusion only stands if the game in question released in JPN BEFORE the policy, but somewhere else AFTER the policy.

This is not even the situation with DMC5. It released everywhere AFTER the policy and was not affected in all regions, which is not in keeping with the policy as we understand it.

So before the policy implementation in October 2018, it could be safe, Japan or not, right? Yeah, just like this game:

https://twitter.com/PQubeGames/status/1011240217813057536/photo/1



HoangNhatAnh on 22 April 2019
twintail said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So before the policy implementation in October 2018, it could be safe, Japan or not, right? Yeah, just like this game:

https://twitter.com/PQubeGames/status/1011240217813057536/photo/1

This game was banned by multiple western countries before Sony even did anything (and most likely why Sony decided to stop the release)

Besides, the game didn't even have a finalised Western release date from what I could gather, so who knows when it would have finally released.

In AU/EU? So how about NA? Also, Omega Labyrinth Z was expected to release in the West in Spring 2018 but then it was delayed and publisher PQube announced that it's localization has been cancelled. Yeah, even in early 2018, but Sony is definitely innocent in this case/s



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RJTM1991 on 22 April 2019
HoangNhatAnh said:
RJTM1991 said:

Marie Rose, probably. She's the smallest character in the series.

I think it's pretty clear that DOA was censored due to people like Anita Sarkeesian and the poisonous pandering SJW hivemind though, and not due to a "childlike" character.

Immersiveunreality said:

To be honest, most of them look underage. :p

So it is still logical they want to censor some items that make it possible to see upskirts on them and that does enhance boobmovement.

Marie Rose is 18, you should know. And most Asia girls who are 18 years old look like that. This is 22 years old female in Japan:

twintail said:

Every game censored by Sony* obviously since that is what we are talking about.

At this point you cant even defend your argument and are just saying random stuff hoping you are right.

Games censored from Sonys policy affects JPN region. DMC5 was not censored in Japan. Do the math. 

Except Mary Skelter 2 got censored by Sony in China instead. Didn't get censored in JP doesn't mean it won't get censored in other country by Sony :))

She is indeed 18, my man. And she's Swedish and not Asian so that might be why some people have raised eyebrows. I mean, she's the same age as Ayane, and I very rarely see criticism there. It's all about height, bust, and mannerisms it seems.

Asian people are smaller, you hit the nail on the head there. Some characters, like Marie Rose, NiCO, and Honoka are designed with Japan in mind, but most critics over here don't really understand that.



DonFerrari on 22 April 2019
Jranation said:
DonFerrari said:
Do I like games with nude underage girls? No. Do any kid get harmed by it? Not really. Should devs be allowed to release what they want and market decides if they want to purchase or not? Fuck Yeah.

EXACTLY! Say it LOUDER for the people defending this! Because if it doesnt stop now it may become a lot worse. 

I have no idea why people get so offended by pixels to the point to forfeit freedom over it.

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm even more against government censorship than private company.

100% agree.

At least if it's a private company you have the option of just going to a different company instead (and hoping the shitty pro-censorship company goes bankrupt). Government censorship though.... just remember that the nazis and north korea were/are big fans of government censorship and that's about all that needs to be said!

Yep, I really don't like the idea of a government deciding for everyone even on almost universal concepts, so taste/opinion is a point where that is totally unacceptable.

Mnementh said:
Ka-pi96 said:

100% agree.

At least if it's a private company you have the option of just going to a different company instead (and hoping the shitty pro-censorship company goes bankrupt). Government censorship though.... just remember that the nazis and north korea were/are big fans of government censorship and that's about all that needs to be said!

There is truth in what you say, but (a very big BUT) there is a reason why people are asking companies like Sony to apply such rules: it is so much easier.

Look, Sony can just implement internal rules, don't tell anyone (as they did until someone asked) and don't release a firm list of criterias. Fuck, there even is no need for a list criterias, Sony can just decide on a whim which game passes and which not, for which game they ask the dev for changes. A law must have clear rules and it must be released to the public so everyone can see these rules.

Sony also don't need to be transparent about the enforcement. So, we only know if this happened, if a dev leaks it or something goes wrong. For the most part we will not know that Sony asked for changes. In difference with a law, you know where it applies. For instance, in germany a public body 'indexes' some media for unfit for public distribution or even completely forbidden to distribute. The rules on these cases are set clear, but more importantly we know how many works are hit by that, for the most part we also know the list and for every media the organization can be asked if that media is on the index. We never will know such a thing for Sony.

To put such restrictions into law a public discussion has to take place and enough legislators have to agree. Even if they do, after the election new lawmakers can change it or take it back entirely. For Sony some manager can just decide on a whim to implement such rules (as it happened). No public discussion, no election.

That is why more and more people are asking or pressuring companies with big marketplaces into such rules. Because they know this doesn't stand a chance to become actual law.

I'm very against law in general. Law should be minimal and simple, covering basic human rights, everything else is to be agreed between people. Companies censoring is also bad (but less than government), best "censorship" that exist is market. Company releases content/product and people who don't like don't buy.

Mr Puggsly said:
That's good, I hate getting painful erections while playing video games.

I think its kinda funny theyre trying to make entertainment like games and movies less sexual, yet its easier than ever to find videos of girls getting fucked and fisted in every hole. Im just not sure what the goal is. The same audience playing games is also watching porn. Its like there is a fear of these things mixing, a dangerous alliance.

I remember the time on PS1 there were official releases of porn for the console. Or in PSVita that we have UMD porn.

ArchangelMadzz said:
That's a very important update.

This entire thread is an example of our age of outrage before facts.

No one should have a problem with this.

Everyone should have a problem with all form of censorship.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

100% agree.

At least if it's a private company you have the option of just going to a different company instead (and hoping the shitty pro-censorship company goes bankrupt). Government censorship though.... just remember that the nazis and north korea were/are big fans of government censorship and that's about all that needs to be said!

Your post is beyond crazy , you are comparing nazi censorship to oposition to Sony not wanting garbage underage shit content on their platforms. You the Ones that want to censor Sony , demanding them to put this type  of content on their consoles... You all  free to buy a Xbox, switch or go to Steam to see your porn teenager japanese school games... 

Sony had this type of content and they are pressured to change, so the censorship would be coming from your field.

He is not comparing it to Sony. He is saying that having government censorship instead of company is bad, and that nazi/korea censorship is government level where everyone on those countries have no option instead of company policy that you can choose not to buy.

eastcoastrider said:
DonFerrari said:

Considering most of these games sell on Japan that have very low criminal rates, then it hardly is for child molesters. Also there are plenty of 12 year old girls with big breast.

I'm even more against government censorship than private company.

Just because a country has a low crime rate does not mean they have a low molestation or an unusually high percentage of the population has an attraction to physically mature females with a childs face.  Incest molesting sexual abuse is one of the most under reported crimes their are, obvious you don't have a daughter or you would be a little more concerned about exciting weird fantasies.

I have a daughter, thanks for your judgmental ignorance.

The country have low crime, including pedophilia. They do have a lot of fetiche for woman that look like teen, but they harm no child in doing that.

HoangNhatAnh said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Marie Rose looks like a 12 year old no matter what age she is supposed to be and that picture you brought up is an extreme example not comparable with the rest of the population and it holds no weight in the argument that a company has its reasons to not wanting to sexualize underage looking women worldwide.

Again, this is Japan, many 18 years old girls in Asia look like Marie Rose, especially in Viet Nam, China, Japan, North/South Korea. Koei Tecmo is from Japan, you know :))

In Japan is even common to have some hookers that are into their 30s dressing like elementary school and having their face looking very young, that is a fetiche they have. Still that don't harm any child. Pixel porn of girl that also look under 18 don't harm kids. And you can even trace who buy this type of material and see if they also go to other habits as buying real child porn or exploring teenagers sexually.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

ArchangelMadzz on 22 April 2019
DonFerrari said:
Jranation said:

EXACTLY! Say it LOUDER for the people defending this! Because if it doesnt stop now it may become a lot worse. 

I have no idea why people get so offended by pixels to the point to forfeit freedom over it.

Ka-pi96 said:

100% agree.

At least if it's a private company you have the option of just going to a different company instead (and hoping the shitty pro-censorship company goes bankrupt). Government censorship though.... just remember that the nazis and north korea were/are big fans of government censorship and that's about all that needs to be said!

Yep, I really don't like the idea of a government deciding for everyone even on almost universal concepts, so taste/opinion is a point where that is totally unacceptable.

Mnementh said:

There is truth in what you say, but (a very big BUT) there is a reason why people are asking companies like Sony to apply such rules: it is so much easier.

Look, Sony can just implement internal rules, don't tell anyone (as they did until someone asked) and don't release a firm list of criterias. Fuck, there even is no need for a list criterias, Sony can just decide on a whim which game passes and which not, for which game they ask the dev for changes. A law must have clear rules and it must be released to the public so everyone can see these rules.

Sony also don't need to be transparent about the enforcement. So, we only know if this happened, if a dev leaks it or something goes wrong. For the most part we will not know that Sony asked for changes. In difference with a law, you know where it applies. For instance, in germany a public body 'indexes' some media for unfit for public distribution or even completely forbidden to distribute. The rules on these cases are set clear, but more importantly we know how many works are hit by that, for the most part we also know the list and for every media the organization can be asked if that media is on the index. We never will know such a thing for Sony.

To put such restrictions into law a public discussion has to take place and enough legislators have to agree. Even if they do, after the election new lawmakers can change it or take it back entirely. For Sony some manager can just decide on a whim to implement such rules (as it happened). No public discussion, no election.

That is why more and more people are asking or pressuring companies with big marketplaces into such rules. Because they know this doesn't stand a chance to become actual law.

I'm very against law in general. Law should be minimal and simple, covering basic human rights, everything else is to be agreed between people. Companies censoring is also bad (but less than government), best "censorship" that exist is market. Company releases content/product and people who don't like don't buy.

Mr Puggsly said:
That's good, I hate getting painful erections while playing video games.

I think its kinda funny theyre trying to make entertainment like games and movies less sexual, yet its easier than ever to find videos of girls getting fucked and fisted in every hole. Im just not sure what the goal is. The same audience playing games is also watching porn. Its like there is a fear of these things mixing, a dangerous alliance.

I remember the time on PS1 there were official releases of porn for the console. Or in PSVita that we have UMD porn.

ArchangelMadzz said:
That's a very important update.

This entire thread is an example of our age of outrage before facts.

No one should have a problem with this.

Everyone should have a problem with all form of censorship.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Your post is beyond crazy , you are comparing nazi censorship to oposition to Sony not wanting garbage underage shit content on their platforms. You the Ones that want to censor Sony , demanding them to put this type  of content on their consoles... You all  free to buy a Xbox, switch or go to Steam to see your porn teenager japanese school games... 

Sony had this type of content and they are pressured to change, so the censorship would be coming from your field.

He is not comparing it to Sony. He is saying that having government censorship instead of company is bad, and that nazi/korea censorship is government level where everyone on those countries have no option instead of company policy that you can choose not to buy.

eastcoastrider said:

Just because a country has a low crime rate does not mean they have a low molestation or an unusually high percentage of the population has an attraction to physically mature females with a childs face.  Incest molesting sexual abuse is one of the most under reported crimes their are, obvious you don't have a daughter or you would be a little more concerned about exciting weird fantasies.

I have a daughter, thanks for your judgmental ignorance.

The country have low crime, including pedophilia. They do have a lot of fetiche for woman that look like teen, but they harm no child in doing that.

HoangNhatAnh said:

Again, this is Japan, many 18 years old girls in Asia look like Marie Rose, especially in Viet Nam, China, Japan, North/South Korea. Koei Tecmo is from Japan, you know :))

In Japan is even common to have some hookers that are into their 30s dressing like elementary school and having their face looking very young, that is a fetiche they have. Still that don't harm any child. Pixel porn of girl that also look under 18 don't harm kids. And you can even trace who buy this type of material and see if they also go to other habits as buying real child porn or exploring teenagers sexually.

The devs are still able to release their game, this isn't on a government level. If Sony don't want it on their platform that's perfectly up to them and they shouldn't be forced to have any game (especially one with sexual depictions of children) on their platform. 

People who don't like it will go somewhere else and get that business. Free market etc.



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2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

DonFerrari on 22 April 2019
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

I have no idea why people get so offended by pixels to the point to forfeit freedom over it.

Yep, I really don't like the idea of a government deciding for everyone even on almost universal concepts, so taste/opinion is a point where that is totally unacceptable.

I'm very against law in general. Law should be minimal and simple, covering basic human rights, everything else is to be agreed between people. Companies censoring is also bad (but less than government), best "censorship" that exist is market. Company releases content/product and people who don't like don't buy.

I remember the time on PS1 there were official releases of porn for the console. Or in PSVita that we have UMD porn.

Everyone should have a problem with all form of censorship.

Sony had this type of content and they are pressured to change, so the censorship would be coming from your field.

He is not comparing it to Sony. He is saying that having government censorship instead of company is bad, and that nazi/korea censorship is government level where everyone on those countries have no option instead of company policy that you can choose not to buy.

I have a daughter, thanks for your judgmental ignorance.

The country have low crime, including pedophilia. They do have a lot of fetiche for woman that look like teen, but they harm no child in doing that.

In Japan is even common to have some hookers that are into their 30s dressing like elementary school and having their face looking very young, that is a fetiche they have. Still that don't harm any child. Pixel porn of girl that also look under 18 don't harm kids. And you can even trace who buy this type of material and see if they also go to other habits as buying real child porn or exploring teenagers sexually.

The devs are still able to release their game, this isn't on a government level. If Sony don't want it on their platform that's perfectly up to them and they shouldn't be forced to have any game (especially one with sexual depictions of children) on their platform. 

People who don't like it will go somewhere else and get that business. Free market etc.

Yes it is true, still don't void right of people of complaining about it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

ArchangelMadzz on 22 April 2019
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

The devs are still able to release their game, this isn't on a government level. If Sony don't want it on their platform that's perfectly up to them and they shouldn't be forced to have any game (especially one with sexual depictions of children) on their platform. 

People who don't like it will go somewhere else and get that business. Free market etc.

Yes it is true, still don't void right of people of complaining about it.

People have the right to complain about whatever they want to, that's our world.

Doesn't mean I don't think it's weird that people complain about a company not allowing sexual games featuring kids (underaged characters) on their platform.



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2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'