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Pricing of Xbox VS PS%

Xbox +$150 > PS5 0 0.00%
 
Xbox +$100 > PS5 5 14.71%
 
Xbox +$50> PS5 4 11.76%
 
PS5 = Xbox With slight performance bost 7 20.59%
 
PS5 = Xbox With no performance boos 2 5.88%
 
Xbox will not have the pe... 3 8.82%
 
Still to early, wait for MS PR 13 38.24%
 
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eva01beserk said:

Update

Coming from an anaconda dev kit.

More sources say the anaconda is more powerfull. saying 12 teraflop+

I would be disappointed if the next Xbox isn't aiming for 12TF. I mean the X1X had about a 5x increase in 2017.

Given all the unique tech these days I wouldn't be surprised if each console has its own strengths. But I assume MS is aiming to put the most powerful hardware on the market.



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eva01beserk said:
@DonFerrari
They dont have to brake anything. Its as simple as eating some cost. Lets say everybody asumes sony will bring the ps5 at no more than $500. Ms could just deduce what $500 could bring to the table in a console form. Then they could just build sonething for $600 and then sell it for $500 at a lost. Sony might be doing something similar and eat like $50 loss. Ms dont know that so the jump might be minimal but still enough for them to sell it at the same price. Ms knows that they cant compete with sony so im sure they will sell at a lost the anaconda just so they can have the performance crown. As the real console they plan to mas market is the scarlett. The cheap x1x replacement.

Just speculations on my part. Nothing to do with what was just anounced.

To many assumptions.

Unless MS decides to launch 6-12 months later they can't ever be assured they'll be stronger than PS5 without breaking NDAs and contracts Sony have with developers or AMD. One can say MS is more likely to have the stronger console, eat more cost, launch more expensive, etc and that is fine, but no one can assure that MS will have the most powerful HW.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

eva01beserk said:
ironmanDX said:

They were a year late and $100 more expensive with the purpose just to have the more powerful system this generation. (interview with Phil Spencer confirming 2016 scorpio)

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/295830/QA_With_Scorpio_rising_Phil_Spencer_looks_to_the_future_of_Xbox.php

It's not likely they'd spend extra cash in R&D and sacrifice a year of sales for the lolz.

I expect the same mindset next generation. If I had to put money on a company having the more powerful system, it would be MS.

I'm still not convinced either way though. Simply too early to call.

Are you saying they might launch later just to make sure they have best specs and not increase any cost?

---> No. I'm saying why would they bother with the extra year of R&D costs plus potential loss of sales only to make the same mistake next generation? It makes absolutely no sense.  Xbox has been here for 3 generations now. Each one they've had the superior console. At best, the ps3 and 360 were a tie. Ps3 was theoretically more powerful but 3rd party games ran worse most of the generation. One X and og xbox are quite above their respective PlayStation comrades.  Xbox having the weaker hardware is the exception, not the rule.



ironmanDX said:
eva01beserk said:

Are you saying they might launch later just to make sure they have best specs and not increase any cost?

---> No. I'm saying why would they bother with the extra year of R&D costs plus potential loss of sales only to make the same mistake next generation? It makes absolutely no sense.  Xbox has been here for 3 generations now. Each one they've had the superior console. At best, the ps3 and 360 were a tie. Ps3 was theoretically more powerful but 3rd party games ran worse most of the generation. One X and og xbox are quite above their respective PlayStation comrades.  Xbox having the weaker hardware is the exception, not the rule.

Yes Xbox original were stronger than PS2, as it launched several years later.

PS3 is stronger than X360 no question, show by single party titles and by late gen multiplatforms.

PS4 is stronger than X1. X1X came much later and didn't affect the landscape at all. So if you want to have math PS4 stayed stronger than X1 for much longer than X1X is stronger than PS4Pro (and that also costed a year more to launch, higher price tag and lower sales).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

I don't think it matters much at all to MS. Their strategy is Cloud gaming and PC gaming, and I would estimate the XBox will be disassociated from consoles. One X shows that MS is not willing to make exclusive games for the most powerful console, instead they release PC  and cloud versions of all the great xbox console exclusives. 

Sony clearly believes that there is a demand for "next gen console", but in order to succeed, they need to have the exclusives games. Just like Nintendo has demonstrated over the years, hardware performance is not the whole story.  



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@Donferari
I admit its all asumptions based on nothing but rumors. I only think it possible cuz they are so far behind that they could only think of eating some cost just to try and catch up.

Dont think it matters anyways. They are stuck on cloud and gamepass. So unimpresive free to play looking exclusives that arent even real exclusives as they will release on almost everything but ps consoles.



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I dont know what makes you say that about red gaming tech. I belive he is mostly pc. And he reviews pc components mostly.



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@konkari
Yea they are leaving the console space. Their latest game realeses points that out. I think they need a big hoora to leave some impact to then step on it to advertise their cloud and gamepass on everything and abandon xbox.



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eva01beserk said:
I admit its all asumptions based on nothing but rumors. I only think it possible cuz they are so far behind that they could only think of eating some cost just to try and catch up.

Dont think it matters anyways. They are stuck on cloud and gamepass. So unimpresive free to play looking exclusives that arent even real exclusives as they will release on almost everything but ps consoles.

Hey man, I think it is totally fair you thinking MS will do all possible to have the most powerful console. The reply was just that the way you phrased it seemed like they could be sure.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:
I admit its all asumptions based on nothing but rumors. I only think it possible cuz they are so far behind that they could only think of eating some cost just to try and catch up.

Dont think it matters anyways. They are stuck on cloud and gamepass. So unimpresive free to play looking exclusives that arent even real exclusives as they will release on almost everything but ps consoles.

Hey man, I think it is totally fair you thinking MS will do all possible to have the most powerful console. The reply was just that the way you phrased it seemed like they could be sure.

I don't think MS is really worried about having the most powerful system. They seem to be shifting towards their gaming services.  

Even if they are trying to have the most powerful console, I doubt they are interested in subsidizing it much. They didn't for the XBO or XBO X. And they sure as hell didn't for the Xbox SAD.  I think they might eat $50 or so of the cost, but I think Sony will be willing to eat $100-$150.