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Pricing of Xbox VS PS%

Xbox +$150 > PS5 0 0.00%
 
Xbox +$100 > PS5 5 16.67%
 
Xbox +$50> PS5 3 10.00%
 
PS5 = Xbox With slight performance bost 6 20.00%
 
PS5 = Xbox With no performance boos 2 6.67%
 
Xbox will not have the pe... 3 10.00%
 
Still to early, wait for MS PR 11 36.67%
 
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I'm pretty sure the "Microsoft is aiming for more power!" rumor has been debunked already. Not that it can't happen, but there's no evidence either way, except Sony being the one who seems willing to bite the $500 bullet so far.

Besides, IBM supplied to MS a processor based on the Sony-co-developed Cell Broadband Engine for the X360 in the past. So it wouldn't be  unprecedented.



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:

I'm pretty sure the "Microsoft is aiming for more power!" rumor has been debunked already. Not that it can't happen, but there's no evidence either way, except Sony being the one who seems willing to bite the $500 bullet so far.

Besides, IBM supplied to MS a processor based on the Sony-co-developed Cell Broadband Engine for the X360 in the past. So it wouldn't be  unprecedented.

If I dint clarify that in the OP then its my mistake. I think is less than a rumor but more assumption. I believe MS cant compete with SONY in any way, so they will bite the money bullet to at least assure more power. 



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eva01beserk said:
ironmanDX said:

They were a year late and $100 more expensive with the purpose just to have the more powerful system this generation. (interview with Phil Spencer confirming 2016 scorpio)

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/295830/QA_With_Scorpio_rising_Phil_Spencer_looks_to_the_future_of_Xbox.php

It's not likely they'd spend extra cash in R&D and sacrifice a year of sales for the lolz.

I expect the same mindset next generation. If I had to put money on a company having the more powerful system, it would be MS.

I'm still not convinced either way though. Simply too early to call.

Are you saying they might launch later just to make sure they have best specs and not increase any cost?

That might be fine for a midgen upgrade, but for a new gen launch is just absurd. Sony could claw its way back from giving MS that lead, but theres no way in hell MS could with their lacking first party oferings and poor mindshare outside the US.

haxxiy said:

I'm pretty sure the "Microsoft is aiming for more power!" rumor has been debunked already. Not that it can't happen, but there's no evidence either way, except Sony being the one who seems willing to bite the $500 bullet so far.

Besides, IBM supplied to MS a processor based on the Sony-co-developed Cell Broadband Engine for the X360 in the past. So it wouldn't be  unprecedented.

There has been mention that Anaconda will be more advanced, with no mention of performance. If this is true, it would almost suggest XB is going to wait and use whatever GPU comes after Navi, or at least have that tech baked into Navi, which PS5 may not have. By waiting another year they could also use fourth gen Ryzen instead of third gen like PS5 will be using. They could even be thinking of using HBM memory, which is not cheap. This could allow MS to have a similar or slightly weaker spec'd console on paper that performs better than PS5 due to the advanced hardware. If XB were to stick to their 4 year trend, good idea or not, it would set them up for a 2021 launch. If XB were able to convince AMD to move up all that hardware up for a 2020 launch, the cost for MS would be outrageous. Not only would they have to eat a tonne of cost up front, but $499 for Anaconda would almost be impossible.

If by some chance Navi really was locked down to PS5, MS would basically have little choice and would have to wait for what comes afterwards if they want to guarantee they end up with the stronger console. Otherwise they could end up having the less advanced, lower performing console, which doesn't seem to be the route they want to take, unless they are bluffing.



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EricHiggin said:
eva01beserk said:

Are you saying they might launch later just to make sure they have best specs and not increase any cost?

That might be fine for a midgen upgrade, but for a new gen launch is just absurd. Sony could claw its way back from giving MS that lead, but theres no way in hell MS could with their lacking first party oferings and poor mindshare outside the US.

haxxiy said:

I'm pretty sure the "Microsoft is aiming for more power!" rumor has been debunked already. Not that it can't happen, but there's no evidence either way, except Sony being the one who seems willing to bite the $500 bullet so far.

Besides, IBM supplied to MS a processor based on the Sony-co-developed Cell Broadband Engine for the X360 in the past. So it wouldn't be  unprecedented.

There has been mention that Anaconda will be more advanced, with no mention of performance. If this is true, it would almost suggest XB is going to wait and use whatever GPU comes after Navi, or at least have that tech baked into Navi, which PS5 may not have. By waiting another year they could also use fourth gen Ryzen instead of third gen like PS5 will be using. They could even be thinking of using HBM memory, which is not cheap. This could allow MS to have a similar or slightly weaker spec'd console on paper that performs better than PS5 due to the advanced hardware. If XB were to stick to their 4 year trend, good idea or not, it would set them up for a 2021 launch. If XB were able to convince AMD to move up all that hardware up for a 2020 launch, the cost for MS would be outrageous. Not only would they have to eat a tonne of cost up front, but $499 for Anaconda would almost be impossible.

If by some chance Navi really was locked down to PS5, MS would basically have little choice and would have to wait for what comes afterwards if they want to guarantee they end up with the stronger console. Otherwise they could end up having the less advanced, lower performing console, which doesn't seem to be the route they want to take, unless they are bluffing.

That might have worked for sony gen 7, but that was cuz playstation 2 was the best selling console ever. Do you really think coming from so far behing and having such lackluster games, that if the ps5 comes a whole year early, the few xbox fans remaining wont just jump ship? I mean I feel its almost week by week that soome bad news from MS comes out. The latest was the xbox sad release. 



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eva01beserk said:
EricHiggin said:

There has been mention that Anaconda will be more advanced, with no mention of performance. If this is true, it would almost suggest XB is going to wait and use whatever GPU comes after Navi, or at least have that tech baked into Navi, which PS5 may not have. By waiting another year they could also use fourth gen Ryzen instead of third gen like PS5 will be using. They could even be thinking of using HBM memory, which is not cheap. This could allow MS to have a similar or slightly weaker spec'd console on paper that performs better than PS5 due to the advanced hardware. If XB were to stick to their 4 year trend, good idea or not, it would set them up for a 2021 launch. If XB were able to convince AMD to move up all that hardware up for a 2020 launch, the cost for MS would be outrageous. Not only would they have to eat a tonne of cost up front, but $499 for Anaconda would almost be impossible.

If by some chance Navi really was locked down to PS5, MS would basically have little choice and would have to wait for what comes afterwards if they want to guarantee they end up with the stronger console. Otherwise they could end up having the less advanced, lower performing console, which doesn't seem to be the route they want to take, unless they are bluffing.

That might have worked for sony gen 7, but that was cuz playstation 2 was the best selling console ever. Do you really think coming from so far behing and having such lackluster games, that if the ps5 comes a whole year early, the few xbox fans remaining wont just jump ship? I mean I feel its almost week by week that soome bad news from MS comes out. The latest was the xbox sad release. 

No I don't think sitting back and waiting is a good idea for MS, but I also don't think the SAD edition One S was a good idea either, not to mention the $250 price point on top of that. It's quite possible that no matter what MS does, it may not impact PS5 all that much either way if PS doesn't screw up. If MS hasn't learned by now, what makes you think they've got it figured out for next gen? Unless all these 'mistakes' are just bluffs, and costly one's at that.



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EricHiggin said:

No I don't think sitting back and waiting is a good idea for MS, but I also don't think the SAD edition One S was a good idea either, not to mention the $250 price point on top of that. It's quite possible that no matter what MS does, it may not impact PS5 all that much either way if PS doesn't screw up. If MS hasn't learned by now, what makes you think they've got it figured out for next gen? Unless all these 'mistakes' are just bluffs, and costly one's at that.

Microsoft should have redesigned the online-only edition of the Xbox One S to truly differentiate the SKU. It could be a significantly smaller device for one... Then it might be a little more tenable.

I am seeing the discless Xbox One S as a "test" for next gen, if sales are healthy it might give Microsoft the excuse to release a next-gen console from day 0 at a lower price point without an optical disk drive, that way they aren't likely to tarnish their next-gen launch window if shit hits the proverbial fan.



Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

No I don't think sitting back and waiting is a good idea for MS, but I also don't think the SAD edition One S was a good idea either, not to mention the $250 price point on top of that. It's quite possible that no matter what MS does, it may not impact PS5 all that much either way if PS doesn't screw up. If MS hasn't learned by now, what makes you think they've got it figured out for next gen? Unless all these 'mistakes' are just bluffs, and costly one's at that.

Microsoft should have redesigned the online-only edition of the Xbox One S to truly differentiate the SKU. It could be a significantly smaller device for one... Then it might be a little more tenable.

I am seeing the discless Xbox One S as a "test" for next gen, if sales are healthy it might give Microsoft the excuse to release a next-gen console from day 0 at a lower price point without an optical disk drive, that way they aren't likely to tarnish their next-gen launch window if shit hits the proverbial fan.

I wouldn't doubt they're testing the waters either, but that also makes me wonder how close the next XB's are. Even a late 2020 launch at this point seems too soon, unless they have that many different designs ready to go just in case, or if the streaming digital console is an all in one unit that they can just add a disc drive to if the One SADE flops.

They def should have redesigned the internals if they weren't going to change the specs at all. It wouldn't have taken much to change the heatsink design and drop a blower fan in, move the hdd a bit and thin out and lengthen the PSU so the unit could be slimmer. Either that or maybe just drop the 2.5" hdd and add in a 3.5" in the empty optical drive space at 4TB-6TB so the $250 price point was well worth it.



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Update

Coming from an anaconda dev kit.

More sources say the anaconda is more powerfull. saying 12 teraflop+



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I think MS will come out with a family of consoles:

Around the PS5 launch they will offer a digital only and disc variant weaker than the ps5.

A year later they will launch a more powerful console.

I dint think they can afford to sell at a great loss or launch late. If they want the most powerful console that's not a little bit a lot more powerful, they will need to have a staggered launch.

People looking at the x1x for price comparison have to understand it was cheap to produce drive it was using old tech, just more of it. Unlike launch x1 it didn't have cost taken up by the Kinect either.

MS will make up numbers via people buying 2 consoles due to cheaper, weaker and discless option.

This will probably part of their big push going up against Google for streaming crown.



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