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Trumpstyle said:
CGI-Quality said:

CPU: Zen 2 eight to twelve core @ 3GHz
GPU: Navi
RAM:16GB G6 (could use G5X, but I doubt it)
HDD: 4TB (Confirmed SSD, will likely be 1-2TB)

My original prediction with the updated SSD info (I was always more on shaky ground regarding that). I'm still confident in 16GB of G6, but I can see as high as 24. CPU/GPU were always obvious and clocks will be the determining factors there.

We had 3 new rumors from Jason Schreier, french leak and Brad sams since I made my prediction in the same thread, here's my updated one.

Xbox two (Lockhart)
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,4 ghz
GPU: Navi 4TF
Memory: 12GB Gddr6 Ram, 192-bit bus, 336 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive (Will be disc-less)
Launch: Fall 2020 250-300$

Xbox two+ (Anaconda)
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,8 ghz
GPU: Navi 12TF, 80CU with 1200 Mhz clock
Memory: 16GB Gddr6 Ram, 256-bit bus, 448 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive
Launch: Fall 2020 400$

Playstation 5
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,8 ghz
GPU: Navi 12TF, 80CU with 1200 Mhz clock
Memory: 16GB Gddr6 Ram, 256-bit bus, 448 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive
Launch: Spring 2020 400$

Basically I don't think Microsoft is doing a premium console anymore based on information from the French leak and Brad sams, it will be a cheap 1080p Disc-less console for 250-300$ and a mainstream console for 400$. PS5 and Xbox two+ (anaconda) will probably be identical in spec.

400$ might sounds cheap but here's my build:

Soc/Apu = 100$
Memory = 70$
Nvme drive = 50$
Rest = 150$
Total = 370$

Prices are based on speculation.

Even at 7nm, a chip with 8 CPU cores, 80 Compute Units and all the caches will be gargantuan, with about 500 mm2 at the very least. 100$ per chip wouldn't even be enough to pay TSMC for the wafers, let alone make any profit for AMD. You can at least double the price for that just to make it covering the costs.

Also, just a 50$ NVME drive? If you really expect PS5 to be SSD only, then that's certainly not nearly enough. 80$ would be a better fit right now when buying in bulk.

As you can see, 400$ for your build are impossible, put at least another 100$ on top of it.

Finally, An Xbox 2 model being considerably less powerful than the One X doesn't make sense at all to me. I think it would at least match the One X in GPU performance, with the better CPU and possibly more RAM making the difference between the two.



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Just happy to hear that we're getting Backwards-Compatibility. I would assume 4K bluray would be a no-brainer.



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twintail said:
John2290 said:
Little to no load times (depending on devs) I think that might be the best promise a console manufacturer has ever staked a new gen on. I find the 8k tag to be more of a push to avoid using native 4k as a promise while getting the thought in people minds that 4k will be a given. I still think there will be a few devs not pushing for full 4k next gen or at least early on so nice PR move without having to promise 4k and software not delivering. Love that they are keeping VR with support for the current HMD and hope this pushes the fools who haven't bought into it yet to go out right now and buy a headset.

8k doesn't mean anything for gaming.  It's not feasible.  But Netflix,  sure. 

Even then, it'll be a good while before you start seeing that kind of content showing up. There's still plenty that hasn't even made it to 4K on that yet.



                                                                                                                                            

Awesome.


I've invested in a lot of PS4 games that I'm sure will carry on to next gen ;)



    

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Marth said:
Using SSDs for next generation sure is great, but it also comes at a cost. If they aim to achive 4k and even 8k gaming the assets are going to be MASSIVE.
So the internal SSD would need quite a few TB of space or else you can only keep a few games at a time.

Which also makes me wonder what kind of optical disk they are going to use.
What kind of Blue-Rays are currently in use for PS4 games?

Anyway things are starting to get interesting. Looking forward to Microsofts answer at E3.

Might be Ultra HD Blu-ray which is 50GB min standard.  Compared to Blu-ray which is 25GB min standard.  Triple layer Blu-ray discs are 100GB so that may also be an option.



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CGI-Quality said:
twintail said:

8k doesn't mean anything for gaming.  It's not feasible.  But Netflix,  sure. 

Even then, it'll be a good while before you start seeing that kind of content showing up. There's still plenty that hasn't even made it to 4K on that yet.

Gonna be a few years yet before I invest in a 4k TV.  It's still hard to get a decent 1080p 32" tv.



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dharh said:
CGI-Quality said:

Even then, it'll be a good while before you start seeing that kind of content showing up. There's still plenty that hasn't even made it to 4K on that yet.

Gonna be a few years yet before I invest in a 4k TV.  It's still hard to get a decent 1080p 32" tv.

I'm currently on a 4K monitor (specifically for the X1X). One of the best investments I've ever made!



                                                                                                                                            

BasilZero said:
Awesome.


I've invested in a lot of PS4 games that I'm sure will carry on to next gen ;)

Same! I know modern hardware isn't quite as indestructible as is was when the PS2 launched, so it's nice to know that a PS4 game playing device won't be obsolete until 2029. If the last PS5s roll off the production line, in 2029 then it should be feasible to have a working unit in 2040 or even later. 



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Not all that surprising, but nice to hear. The storage and loading times seem extremely impressive right now though. Waiting to hear how many TF 'XB2(s)' have?

Based on this new info I would expect that at PSX later this year we see a $249 PS4 SS and $349 Pro S. Maybe, just maybe, we also get an announcement for a PS Portable, maybe.

PS5 Nov 2020 for $399-$499. If Pro was still $349 by the time PS5 launches, it would make it easier for PS to price PS5 at $449 if they wish. If it lands at $499, I would have to imagine that only lasts a year and then drops to $399 holiday 2021. $499 with loads of acceptable quality games due to x86 will allow for the same launch numbers as PS3 worst case, but more than likely better with how the worldwide economy is at the moment.

Even with loading speeds faster than anything on the market now, I don't see that meaning an expensive storage solution overall. Expensive for the small amount that's part of the whole loading and storage solution maybe, but something like that I can't see being a substantial portion of the budget. Unless the GPU and/or RAM will suffer because of it, which is possible but I'd think they would rather balance things and use an HDD for mass storage, if it'll give them those speeds anyway with what's on board. Or do they launch at $399-$449 with 500GB on board and let customers make the add on choice of HDD/SSD/SSHD expansion bay/external mass storage? 



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DonFerrari said:
spemanig said:
I wonder how this will compare to Stadia, spec-wise.

theoretical or real world...

From what we heard from stadia it seems to be about X1X level of power, while this seems to be about double (on raw number, performance will be much higher).

On real world with latency, bandwidth and all else Stadia will be lower than full HD, this will be about 4K (capable of 8K output per the interview).

Stadia is more powerful than XBO X and PS4 Pro combined. That was confirmed by the specs shown at its reveal. I don't know where you heard that it's only XBO X-level, but that's false.

Stadia is also shooting for 4K 60fps at launch, with 8K 60fps as time progressed. I don't really like thrown out numbers like that anyway because it's just unsubstantiated flexing, but that's also something that was said explicitly at reveal. It has as much validity atm as anything confirmed so far for PS5.

I'm really just curious how streaming platforms will compare spec-wise to standalone consoles. The next 3 years will be buy far the most interesting in gaming since maybe the Wii/DS/XB Live era. So transformative with streaming, VR, and new hybrid platforms like Switch entering the mainstream. (pun intended) Considering rumors of PS5 being $500, I wonder if they'll consider selling a cheaper $400/$450 model that's digital only. Exciting times!



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