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How are you feeling about the next three years for Australia?

Pessimistic 1 14.29%
 
Optimistic 1 14.29%
 
Ecstatic 2 28.57%
 
In a constant state of disbelief 3 42.86%
 
Total:7

I honestly couldn't be more disappointed. A party that actually takes solid policy to an election can't win, obviously, all that matters is how dirty the smear campaign is.

Labor needs to put somebody more likable in the leadership, and an attack dog in as deputy. Spend the next three years associating the paedophile-supporters of the LNP with paedophiles, as well as focussing on their corruption, and attack the minuscule policy the LNP actually drums up. No policy talk until after the 2022 election; the media environment in this country won't allow it to survive



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Palmer's ads were effective and Australians believed his claims and they did not vote for Labor. Clive Palmer won the election for the Coalition with his preference deal to put Labor and Greens last. Polls are useless and ineffective and they are not as accurate as they used to be in the past. Monthly opinion polls are made up and inaccurate and were way off in wrongly predicting the NSW election and now the Federal election. The polls wrongly predicted Brexit and 2016 US President elections. The election result was not a miracle, the opinion polls were wrong and highly inaccurate. 

The final result was 52-48 in Coalition's favour. ScoMo is a more popular leader and his stupid one liners. Making Australians laugh and offer nothing is better than making too many promises is the best way to win the election. Other leaders and political parties can learn from this scenario. Do not believe opinion polls, offer nothing and stick to one liners and gaffs to make voters laugh. 2019 was just a repeat of 1993 election where the opposition parties offered too much and could not explain their policies effectively lost the election



I find it ironic, that the LNP voters, who always complain about the low income getting so much welfare kicking up a horrendous stink when one party chooses to close tax loopholes that they themselves exploit. Negative gearing and franking credits are only going to put exponential amounts of financial pressure on the budget in the coming years. Just goes to show...smear tactics beats good policy anyday



My thoughts on the outcomes of the election:

Cons:
- Listening to a blubbering Scott Morrison for another 3 years

- Environment will suffer. Coal will be pushed and subsidised to keep up with renewables.

- Reassured Murdoch that he is indeed a kingmaker

- My electorate of Farrer showed that, despite being so displeased of things, they're still happy to stick with the same candidate.

Pros:
- No more of the wrecker (Tony Abbott). Conservative Liberals put on notice.

- Clive got 0 senate seats. that gives him a LOT less leverage over the LNP. As you can see, he's already trying to claim that the Liberals were screwed without him, hoping to get some favours done.

- If the Liberals fabricated a phony forecast surplus, they'll be held accountable to it now. No use blaming Labor, as their usual tactic

- Opens potential for Labor to be lead by a more likeable candidate.

- Our neighbouring electorate of Indi made history by electing another independent from a retiring independent. Already putting pressure on the Morrison government for those election promises, too

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How on earth can you deliver both Budget Surplus and deliver Tax cuts? You need higher taxes to create Surplus. Tax cuts will reduce the Budget Surplus because of less tax revenue. Sounds like ScoMo has no idea about how economics or business works and just uses rhetoric.
If your revenue is decreased, your profit must be reduced. There is no way you can increase profit with lower revenue



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
How on earth can you deliver both Budget Surplus and deliver Tax cuts? You need higher taxes to create Surplus. Tax cuts will reduce the Budget Surplus because of less tax revenue. Sounds like ScoMo has no idea about how economics or business works and just uses rhetoric.
If your revenue is decreased, your profit must be reduced. There is no way you can increase profit with lower revenue

Not that I agree with it, but this is the reasoning of conservatives: If you cut taxes, employers employ more people with the tax cuts, which gets more tax revenue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics



fordy said:

My thoughts on the outcomes of the election:

Cons:
- Listening to a blubbering Scott Morrison for another 3 years

- Environment will suffer. Coal will be pushed and subsidised to keep up with renewables.

- Reassured Murdoch that he is indeed a kingmaker

- My electorate of Farrer showed that, despite being so displeased of things, they're still happy to stick with the same candidate.

Pros:
- No more of the wrecker (Tony Abbott). Conservative Liberals put on notice.

- Clive got 0 senate seats. that gives him a LOT less leverage over the LNP. As you can see, he's already trying to claim that the Liberals were screwed without him, hoping to get some favours done.

- If the Liberals fabricated a phony forecast surplus, they'll be held accountable to it now. No use blaming Labor, as their usual tactic

- Opens potential for Labor to be lead by a more likeable candidate.

- Our neighbouring electorate of Indi made history by electing another independent from a retiring independent. Already putting pressure on the Morrison government for those election promises, too

I'm pretty much having the same conclusions. This was the LNP's dream outcome, returned, with a majority of all things, and their chief detractor, Abbott is gone. I would note that the other more conservative libs, like Dutton were in fact given increased majorities, so I don't know if they feel on notice or not.

My electorate of Mallee (don't actually live there, but that's where the family home is) also showed that it doesn't matter how corrupt, dysfunctional or incompetent the Nationals are, they'll return them anyway. Unbelievable.


Dark_Lord_2008 said:
How on earth can you deliver both Budget Surplus and deliver Tax cuts? You need higher taxes to create Surplus. Tax cuts will reduce the Budget Surplus because of less tax revenue. Sounds like ScoMo has no idea about how economics or business works and just uses rhetoric.
If your revenue is decreased, your profit must be reduced. There is no way you can increase profit with lower revenue

fordy said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
How on earth can you deliver both Budget Surplus and deliver Tax cuts? You need higher taxes to create Surplus. Tax cuts will reduce the Budget Surplus because of less tax revenue. Sounds like ScoMo has no idea about how economics or business works and just uses rhetoric.
If your revenue is decreased, your profit must be reduced. There is no way you can increase profit with lower revenue

Not that I agree with it, but this is the reasoning of conservatives: If you cut taxes, employers employ more people with the tax cuts, which gets more tax revenue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

Already proven extremely wrong with the removal of penalty rates. Not only did employers not hire more people, they cut staff. Tax revenue is down, debt is up and we're in a recession already. 

I'm glad that the LNP will be at least held accountable for their recession and the ensuing chaos and austerity, but I don't have any faith that they'll be hurt by it. The Murdoch media will defend them to the death.



RingoGaSuki said:
fordy said:

My thoughts on the outcomes of the election:

Cons:
- Listening to a blubbering Scott Morrison for another 3 years

- Environment will suffer. Coal will be pushed and subsidised to keep up with renewables.

- Reassured Murdoch that he is indeed a kingmaker

- My electorate of Farrer showed that, despite being so displeased of things, they're still happy to stick with the same candidate.

Pros:
- No more of the wrecker (Tony Abbott). Conservative Liberals put on notice.

- Clive got 0 senate seats. that gives him a LOT less leverage over the LNP. As you can see, he's already trying to claim that the Liberals were screwed without him, hoping to get some favours done.

- If the Liberals fabricated a phony forecast surplus, they'll be held accountable to it now. No use blaming Labor, as their usual tactic

- Opens potential for Labor to be lead by a more likeable candidate.

- Our neighbouring electorate of Indi made history by electing another independent from a retiring independent. Already putting pressure on the Morrison government for those election promises, too

I'm pretty much having the same conclusions. This was the LNP's dream outcome, returned, with a majority of all things, and their chief detractor, Abbott is gone. I would note that the other more conservative libs, like Dutton were in fact given increased majorities, so I don't know if they feel on notice or not.

My electorate of Mallee (don't actually live there, but that's where the family home is) also showed that it doesn't matter how corrupt, dysfunctional or incompetent the Nationals are, they'll return them anyway. Unbelievable.


Dark_Lord_2008 said:
How on earth can you deliver both Budget Surplus and deliver Tax cuts? You need higher taxes to create Surplus. Tax cuts will reduce the Budget Surplus because of less tax revenue. Sounds like ScoMo has no idea about how economics or business works and just uses rhetoric.
If your revenue is decreased, your profit must be reduced. There is no way you can increase profit with lower revenue

fordy said:

Not that I agree with it, but this is the reasoning of conservatives: If you cut taxes, employers employ more people with the tax cuts, which gets more tax revenue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

Already proven extremely wrong with the removal of penalty rates. Not only did employers not hire more people, they cut staff. Tax revenue is down, debt is up and we're in a recession already. 

I'm glad that the LNP will be at least held accountable for their recession and the ensuing chaos and austerity, but I don't have any faith that they'll be hurt by it. The Murdoch media will defend them to the death.

I believe that before this election, Dutton's electorate of Dickson was fairly marginal, and at this election Dutton got a smaller swing toward him than the rest of QLD toward the LNP, so anything is possible once that swing comes back.

The LNP wont be able to explain their recession, they'll just blame Labor. It's worked for them extremely well, so far, to the pain of the more sane voters...



Australia is only one of a few nations that forces compulsory voting. How can you call it a democratic society if you impose compulsory voting? People should have the freedom to decide whether or not they want to vote or not like they do in most nations around the world.



Anyone rethinking "compulsory voting" yet ?