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How are you feeling about the next three years for Australia?

Pessimistic 1 14.29%
 
Optimistic 1 14.29%
 
Ecstatic 2 28.57%
 
In a constant state of disbelief 3 42.86%
 
Total:7
RingoGaSuki said:
LittleSnake said:

I've turned 18 and this will be my first time voting, and honestly, I really don't want too. The government is shit, these "parties" are shit, politicians are shit, and the voting is shit. I'm going to end up drawing dicks all over the voting slips and telling them to fuck off. I hate this voting thing so much. 

Not all of them are shit (I can see why you'd think the government and the major parties are), there are plenty of good minor parties not covered in the OP. Spend a couple of minutes searching policies and just vote for what's closest to what you think.

Cobretti2 said:
i will vote for whoever is first on the paper

Please, just take a few moments to look and judge on policy. Every vote counts and yours should go to someone you actually support

Lol my seat has been labor seat since voting has been recorded on record.



 

 

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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I have never registered to vote ever. You only get fined if you are registered to vote and forget to vote.

Here in Luxembourg, voting os also compulsory, however every Luxembourger of voting age is automatically registered to vote.



One Nation is a joke, selling out Australia and generally being racist, bigoted, homophobes. - And that is just the nice things I can say.

Might throw my support behind the Greens this time... Mostly because I am against drilling for oil in the Great Australian Bight rather than any of their other crazy schemes.
Should be an interesting election either way... Interested to see if we will see a swing to the left.



Pemalite said:
One Nation is a joke, selling out Australia and generally being racist, bigoted, homophobes. - And that is just the nice things I can say.

Might throw my support behind the Greens this time... Mostly because I am against drilling for oil in the Great Australian Bight rather than any of their other crazy schemes.
Should be an interesting election either way... Interested to see if we will see a swing to the left.

The Greens are definitely the best option of the bunch imo. None of their major policies are anything but positive (no drilling in the bight, no coal mines on the Great Barrier Reef, no more subsidies for fossil fuel miners, actually funding a renewables manufacturing industry here, federal corruption commission, it goes on).

The LNP just sell the country out, try to stop any social progress and line them and their mates' pockets while doing so. Labor is okay, but not as ambitious on policy and One Nation... well, you already made the point on how awful they are. 

I think we're definitely going to get a swing to the left, but it might be more muted than it ought to be based on just how awful the LNP government has been.



RingoGaSuki said:
LittleSnake said:

I've turned 18 and this will be my first time voting, and honestly, I really don't want too. The government is shit, these "parties" are shit, politicians are shit, and the voting is shit. I'm going to end up drawing dicks all over the voting slips and telling them to fuck off. I hate this voting thing so much. 

Not all of them are shit (I can see why you'd think the government and the major parties are), there are plenty of good minor parties not covered in the OP. Spend a couple of minutes searching policies and just vote for what's closest to what you think.

No thank you. I refuse to vote for anyone



No, fuck you 

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Yep lets vote Greens

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/tassie-wants-to-legalise-abortions-for-men-you-heard-right/news-story/db269c658edcda94d317f72abc683091



 

 

One Nation = tougher laws on border security and restrict immigration.
Liberal/Nationals = economy: Budget Surplus and tax cuts for everyone.
Labor = Health, Education and Environment.
Greens = Environment and Animal Rights!



Cobretti2 said:
Yep lets vote Greens

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/tassie-wants-to-legalise-abortions-for-men-you-heard-right/news-story/db269c658edcda94d317f72abc683091

Ew News Corp.

So somebody who identifies as male and is legally recognised as such, but is biologically female and can therefore get pregnant, will be able to access abortion services as they should be able to? There's nothing wrong with that at all. 

Dark_Lord_2008 said:
One Nation = tougher laws on border security and restrict immigration.
Liberal/Nationals = economy: Budget Surplus and tax cuts for everyone.
Labor = Health, Education and Environment.
Greens = Environment and Animal Rights!

Connecting into the above, both Labor and the Greens are looking like establishing anti-monopoly laws to break News Corp and its disgusting leader Rupert Murdoch's toxic influence too. 

(Should also note LNP is chasing a theoretical, not actually deliverable budget surplus, whilst actually rapidly growing our international debt while I'm at it)



Budget Surplus is like a company making a profit or a person having no debt and pay off the mortgage or credit card. Budget Surplus helps government reduces taxes and the economy is better for all. Budget Surplus always good for nation and the economy. On the other hand Budget Deficit and National debt is bad. Labor ruined the economy and wasted money on stuff and left a $300 billion national debt and huge deficits. Budget deficit is always bad for the nation and the economy.

I learned this rhetoric when I watched TV commercials many years ago when the great John Howard was PM of this country and he delivered 12 Budget Surpluses and paid off Labor's debt. Blame everything that is bad on Labor and blame Labor for the debt and blame Labor for the tough measures needed to get back to Budget Surplus. You do not need an education when TV ads and tabloid shows tell us how the economy works.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Budget Surplus is like a company making a profit or a person having no debt and pay off the mortgage or credit card. Budget Surplus helps government reduces taxes and the economy is better for all. Budget Surplus always good for nation and the economy. On the other hand Budget Deficit and National debt is bad. Labor ruined the economy and wasted money on stuff and left a $300 billion national debt and huge deficits. Budget deficit is always bad for the nation and the economy.

I learned this rhetoric when I watched TV commercials many years ago when the great John Howard was PM of this country and he delivered 12 Budget Surpluses and paid off Labor's debt. Blame everything that is bad on Labor and blame Labor for the debt and blame Labor for the tough measures needed to get back to Budget Surplus. You do not need an education when TV ads and tabloid shows tell us how the economy works.

Australia has historically always had a substantial amount of debt. But that is serviceable debt.

At the moment, Australia's national debt is about $610 billion dollars, that isn't Labors fault... Nor is it even a bad thing, it's not even 1:1 debt to GDP ratio, allot of that debt was piled on by the Liberal party.
https://commodity.com/debt-clock/australia/

A "surplus" in Government terms is where income exceeds expenditure, so you can still have $1 trillion dollar worth of debt and be in a surplus. It's just bullshit word play to make a Government seem more fiscally responsible.

At the end of the day, debt is money going into the economy, which results in growth... Remember Australia is a sovereign state with full control over it's currency, it's more than capable of playing with inflation and paying that debt off rather quickly... But that would have dire catastrophic effects for our economy.

In saying that, Labor came to power when Australia had about $58 billion in debt, Labor did spend hundreds of billions in dollars... But in doing so, Australia avoided a recession which ravaged the entire developed world, so it was economically the right move.

Plus we need to take a look at how the Liberals managed to pay that debt down... They did so by selling off Australian assets, they sold off our energy grid, they sold off our telecommunications, they sold off a ton of infrastructure... The result is a steady rise in the cost of living, it's no coincidence we have some of the highest power and telecommunication costs in the developed world and often (I.E. Broadband) trail other developed nations in terms of overall service quality... Not to mention the idea of other nations like China owning our assets left right and center.

In short, there are Pro's and Con's to each approach that each party takes... You should probably try and get information from sources other than an Advert on television and garner an understanding of basic economics, it's not as black and white as you portray it to be.