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GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever. D&D can burn in the seven hells.

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Hyped. 24 55.81%
 
Mildly interested. 11 25.58%
 
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colafitte said:
John2290 said:

There is an argument to be made that he has Targaryan blood, it's a weak one but it is there. I was waiting for and would have loved to seen him burn Jon but he still remains standing as fire can not burn a dragon, just after grey worm enters with some soldiers as witnesses and well, don't know where they would have went from there but it would have been amazing but it didn't happen. Perhaps Jon could have mounted Drogon there and flew off with his last scene burying Dany and then meeting up with Ghost and ending the way it did but a scream of King beyond the wall to complete out his arc. Anything but they way they got there with the time skips and scene breakage. Litterally anything else. 

Barkley said:

Well Jon is a Targaryen after all. Can't say I really understand the connection the family seems to have with dragons but it became apparent when Jon first met Drogon and he stroked his head (to Daenerys' surprise) without getting his hand bitten off that he had a connection to Drogon too due to his bloodline. Him being a Targaryen is why I assume he wasn't killed by Drogon.

I'm pretty sure that if Viserys lived and killed Daenerys, the plot would have no problem in burning him to ashes..... I'm sorry, but it doesn't make any sense to me at all. It's an animal..., and a fucking Dragon. 

But i guess it's just my opinion and i have to accept others.

Is this pretty much a guess on your part.  There really isn't enough history to understand if the Dragon would burn him to ash.  One thing in Martin books and story is that what people expect isn't always what you get.



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Machiavellian said:
colafitte said:

I'm pretty sure that if Viserys lived and killed Daenerys, the plot would have no problem in burning him to ashes..... I'm sorry, but it doesn't make any sense to me at all. It's an animal..., and a fucking Dragon. 

But i guess it's just my opinion and i have to accept others.

Is this pretty much a guess on your part.  There really isn't enough history to understand if the Dragon would burn him to ash.  One thing in Martin books and story is that what people expect isn't always what you get.

What there is not enough story is to say a dragon would never burn a Targaryen, even if he barely knows him compared to her mother, and whe that person is the one who killed her in front of you in the first place. Sorry..., but no, dragons have never been depicted in the show, and even less in the books as "rational" beings.

But i won't insist anymore. This is just my opinion, everyone can have their own. 



the ending felt kinda empty, a happy ending where Daenerys somehow acknowledges her mistakes after some drama and rules with Snow would be such an epic ending

the way they made her lose her mind in the last season was very incomplete in terms of story telling and character development, an average season after 7 breathtaking seasons!!

one of the best series of all time regardless, big respect to everyone involved, it really is a masterpiece of modern art that future generations will always come back to watch :)



Barkley said:
I didn't like episode 5 at all and I wasn't too keen on the finale. But the more I think on it and the entire series as a whole the more I'm changing my mind and thinking I quite like how it ended.

The only things that I really would change is Daenerys' questionable motivations for the last two episodes. If they changed it around and we could actually understand why she felt such an atrocity was necessary, then the tragic ending to her story would hit a lot harder. If she did something that was so terrible the others felt like they had to kill her, but her actions could be understood and not boil down to "Bitch be crazy."

Game of thrones was always at it's best when there were no outright villains, and everyone had their own complex motivations and there was no good or bad side. If they had manoeuvred the story in a way to make Daenerys not an outright antagonist, but given everyone a reason to think her death a necessity Jon killing her would have been a perfect ending.

If Daenerys did some unspeakable but justifiable act for the greater good, and Jon was forced to kill her for how terrible it was, that would have been perfect in my opinion.

Also make the Episode 5 battle a bit less one-sided so it didn't feel so anti-climatic and I think now I would have been very satisfied with how it ended

Yeah that's generally been my takeaway from this season. But also a lot of annoying things that made little to no sense, or went against the characters we knew.

But for the last episode at least, I didn't have any problems with the logic behind it. A lot of it made sense. But the way it was developed makes it feel like a lot of things were missing.

The world became so small in the end. A lot of interesting elements were written out of the story swiftly.

And yeah, it would have been important for us to be able to sympathize with Daenerys, but it was handled so poorly.
"She watched her friend get beheaded" etc, is not enough to do such a quick 180 on murdering innocent children.

Barkley said:
John2290 said:

Yeah, when you think in retrospect, the story beats are good but the way they pulled the strings was comolete ass, low level American soap opera type execution. 

Definitely going to read the books when they're finished as I imagine it'll all be handled a lot better there. Assuming they ever are finished. Haven't read any of them yet cause I know I wouldn't be able to bare waiting years for the final book.

The audio books are great to listen to.
If you don't know much about the books you may be surprised to find that it's not just things like more insight into characters through things like internal monologue that the TV series skips, but there are important story arcs for the main characters that were completely skipped in the TV series.
My favorite one for Tyrion for example was skipped in the show, sadly.

A lot of important characters exist in the books that do not exist at all in the TV series, and some people that died in the TV series are still alive in the books, etc.

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Not the worst outcome I could have imagined. I give it a solid "Meh".

Too bad they spent so much time dragging certain scenes out way more than necessary that they had to rush more important scenes like the council. The Starks surely hit the jackpot by getting not only the iron throne (or puddle) but also an independant North! Not bad. Bran is kind of strange choice but then again I can see why they'd choose him as I'd imagine most would be very tired of war by now and Bran is probably someone who'll try to rule in peace. Bronn getting Highgarden and the Master of Coin on the other hand was mindboggling considering how trustworthy he is. He's the kind of person you simply have "disappear".

Jon being back in the Night's Watch was fitting I suppose and it was nice to see him reunite with Ghost



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colafitte said:
Machiavellian said:

Is this pretty much a guess on your part.  There really isn't enough history to understand if the Dragon would burn him to ash.  One thing in Martin books and story is that what people expect isn't always what you get.

What there is not enough story is to say a dragon would never burn a Targaryen, even if he barely knows him compared to her mother, and whe that person is the one who killed her in front of you in the first place. Sorry..., but no, dragons have never been depicted in the show, and even less in the books as "rational" beings.

But i won't insist anymore. This is just my opinion, everyone can have their own. 

The implication was the Drogon didn't blame Jon, he blamed the politics and the Throne something Danny has longed after all her life. If you're going to pick apart anything Jon not been burned by Drogon is waaaaay down the list of fuck ups with this. My opinion, twas one of the better scenes of the show and shows that like Tyrion mused the dragons are as intelligent as people. Now the way Drogon flew off with Dany and that being the last we see of him or Jon getting caught off camera then time skips with zero consequence, that is worthy of critic.



 

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John2290 said:
colafitte said:

What there is not enough story is to say a dragon would never burn a Targaryen, even if he barely knows him compared to her mother, and whe that person is the one who killed her in front of you in the first place. Sorry..., but no, dragons have never been depicted in the show, and even less in the books as "rational" beings.

But i won't insist anymore. This is just my opinion, everyone can have their own. 

The implication was the Drogon didn't blame Jon, he blamed the politics and the Throne something Danny has longed after all her life. If you're going to pick apart anything Jon not been burned by Drogon is waaaaay down the list of fuck ups with this. My opinion, twas one of the better scenes of the show and shows that like Tyrion mused the dragons are as intelligent as people. Now the way Drogon flew off with Dany and that being the last we see of him or Jon getting caught off camera then time skips with zero consequence, that is worthy of critic.

"Fascinating but misunderstood beasts, Harry. Fascinating but misunderstood."



 

 

 

 

 

Hiku said:
Barkley said:
I didn't like episode 5 at all and I wasn't too keen on the finale. But the more I think on it and the entire series as a whole the more I'm changing my mind and thinking I quite like how it ended.

The only things that I really would change is Daenerys' questionable motivations for the last two episodes. If they changed it around and we could actually understand why she felt such an atrocity was necessary, then the tragic ending to her story would hit a lot harder. If she did something that was so terrible the others felt like they had to kill her, but her actions could be understood and not boil down to "Bitch be crazy."

Game of thrones was always at it's best when there were no outright villains, and everyone had their own complex motivations and there was no good or bad side. If they had manoeuvred the story in a way to make Daenerys not an outright antagonist, but given everyone a reason to think her death a necessity Jon killing her would have been a perfect ending.

If Daenerys did some unspeakable but justifiable act for the greater good, and Jon was forced to kill her for how terrible it was, that would have been perfect in my opinion.

Also make the Episode 5 battle a bit less one-sided so it didn't feel so anti-climatic and I think now I would have been very satisfied with how it ended

Yeah that's generally been my takeaway from this season. But also a lot of annoying things that made little to no sense, or went against the characters we knew.

But for the last episode at least, I didn't have any problems with the logic behind it. A lot of it made sense. But the way it was developed makes it feel like a lot of things were missing.

The world became so small in the end. A lot of interesting elements were written out of the story swiftly.

And yeah, how Daenerys got to that place was very important for us to be able to understand, but it was handled so poorly.
"She watched her friend get beheaded" etc, is not enough to do such a quick 180 on murdering innocent children.

Barkley said:

Definitely going to read the books when they're finished as I imagine it'll all be handled a lot better there. Assuming they ever are finished. Haven't read any of them yet cause I know I wouldn't be able to bare waiting years for the final book.

The audio books are great to listen to.
If you don't know much about the books you may be surprised to find that it's not just things like more insight into characters through things like internal monologue that the TV series skips, but there are important story arcs for the main characters that were completely skipped in the TV series.
My favorite one for Tyrion for example was skipped in the show, sadly.

A lot of important characters exist in the books that do not exist at all in the TV series, and some people that died in the TV series are still alive in the books, etc.

Tyrions, "Where do whores go?" Or the wifey to begin with? Or wha...? Personally found his journey through Essos really annoyingly drawn out. 



 

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haxxiy said:
John2290 said:

The implication was the Drogon didn't blame Jon, he blamed the politics and the Throne something Danny has longed after all her life. If you're going to pick apart anything Jon not been burned by Drogon is waaaaay down the list of fuck ups with this. My opinion, twas one of the better scenes of the show and shows that like Tyrion mused the dragons are as intelligent as people. Now the way Drogon flew off with Dany and that being the last we see of him or Jon getting caught off camera then time skips with zero consequence, that is worthy of critic.

"Fascinating but misunderstood beasts, Harry. Fascinating but misunderstood."

Not sure why this is a point of annoyance for some, I can understand but personally liked it. It was done badly but the implications are great, just a pity that Drogon is the last remaining Dragon. 



 

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-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

well it def could have ended better. I can see why that petition has exploded even more since the last episode