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GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever.

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Hyped. 24 55.81%
 
Mildly interested. 11 25.58%
 
Not bothered. 5 11.63%
 
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shikamaru317 said:
haxxiy said:

Yeah, Jon would have a high chance of issues as well, though lower than Daenerys for sure, since some of Lyanna Stark's genes would have replaced some of the bad genes from his Targaryen bloodline. Still, even the Stark bloodline is far from perfect, because Lyanna's father Rickard married his first cousin once removed, Lyarra.

One thing is fore sure, Jon and Dany would never have been able to produce viable offspring together, if that romance had worked out. 

Well, unless the inbreeding had been shown to make Dany physically disfunctional, which it hasn't, I'd say they would be fine. Cersei x Jaime had a higher inbreeding coefficient than Jon x Dany, as siblings born from a cousin marriage.

Either way... the point is moot now. The ink is dry, as the 3ER would say. Whatever their reasons, it is what it is.



 

 

 

 

 

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Faelco said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

come ooon, that was pure bullshit, i can understand being a bit mad and overdoing it with fear etc so the story unfolds towards the show's end but destroying the best of what she is supposed to rule at that point makes no damn logic and was made purely for viewer's shock factor on which the whole series was always based on (unless she somehow makes sense in the last episode)

one of the reasons why Breaking Bad has higher rankings overall even though its production budget is abysmal compared to GoT

The "reason" they already tried to give about Dany is "the citizens of King's Landing didn't revolt against Cersei, so they're her ennemies too", and "the slaves she freed before revolted against their masters".

Because sure, common citizens minding their own business (and who have no reason to bother about Targaryens or Lannister) have as much reasons to revolt as slaves being tortured and killed. Of course. Such a great writing. 

Well they did have a legitimate reason to revolt after Cersei blew up the Sept, I still cant believe there was no backlash from that.



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You know what could have helped this episode a little? When the soldiers in King's Landing drop the swords and the bells start chiming, make the army of the North start the chant "King in the North!" to Jon and make Dany see that before she goes into a rampage. But oh well.



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zorg1000 said:
Faelco said:

The "reason" they already tried to give about Dany is "the citizens of King's Landing didn't revolt against Cersei, so they're her ennemies too", and "the slaves she freed before revolted against their masters".

Because sure, common citizens minding their own business (and who have no reason to bother about Targaryens or Lannister) have as much reasons to revolt as slaves being tortured and killed. Of course. Such a great writing. 

Well they did have a legitimate reason to revolt after Cersei blew up the Sept, I still cant believe there was no backlash from that.

I guess the official story wasn't "the new Queen killed everyone". Just put that on someone else, and finished. 



Scoobes said:
Neodegenerate said:

The issue isn't that she did what she did though.. it's the fact that this was the equivalent of a sudden pro wrestling heel turn with no story defined rhyme or reason.  It essentially boils down to "I screwed up and let my second dragon die and my lover didn't kiss me back soo.... off I go doing everything I swore I would never do."

This turn of events has been hinted at repeatedly since Dany got her dragons. The showrunners have made it extra obvious since she came to Westeros. I'm not sure how you think this is a sudden heel turn.

You know.. I don't have an issue with Daenerys going mad because I was actually expecting it. My issue is that she going to the darkside made all the other characters look like complete morons. Specially Tyrion, I mean, how come Tyrion did not see that coming? In fact, the show led me to believe that Tyrion was doubting her a long time ago. I mean, everytime she did or said something weird we would get a Close Up of Tyrion looking at her with a worrisome expression on his face. But no, all of a sudden he is the most loyal person on earth, going to the point of betraying the man who actually saved his life.

And then he was standing there like: "Oh my man, I know you have good intentions and all, and I know you saved my life once.. but now you are threatening my queen man. And I know she is a bit cray cray but she is my queen now. So I guess you have to die. Sorry"

That's when the show lost me. After that I just didn't care anymore. In fact, when all the massacre was happening I just couldn't stop laughing.



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haxxiy said:
Faelco said:

It can melt stones. Melt. Like Harrenhal, yes. It doesn't make them explode like C4, it's fire, not explosives. 

Not to mention it took Balerion the Black Dread a whole night to partially melt down Harrenhal.

I've seen some argue it might be vaporizing the water inside the rocks and making them explode, but watching again the iron fleet scene it's clear that's not the case. The jet just packs that much kinetic energy somehow. Arguably that feature alone is far more destructive than the fire. Drogon is like the world's most powerful pressure washer, he could be breathing milk instead and it would raze KL to the ground.

I agree and that is just crazy.

I am pretty sure we can mathematically prove that Drogon should be propelled backwards, like a rocket/jet plane.

That is, if his bones don't break with that kind of force.



I have so many problems with this episode that I don't know where to start, but let me focus in Dany this once:

- There was no proper trigger
This is crazy, as this is the most basic thing they should provide for her snap. They could have killed Missandei, or Rhaegal, or both, in this episode. That could work. Looking her final enemy surrender and realizing her conquest is over, does not.

- ''Her throne is threatened by Jon''
Really, I don't see how. Dany has two armies completely loyal to her and a dragon. Show tries to push a lot that Jon is more loved than her, but that is only true with MCs and the North (where we have like 200 left after the battle of bastards and the great war). Dorne pledged to her, the Iron isles are with Yara and and Storm's End is with Gendry. Tyrion could claim Casterly Rock, and I don't see how Jon could be popular on the Rock or The Reach.

Even if the show runners forgot, Robin is still lord of Vale and he doesn't care about any of them. Maybe The Rivers would support Jon? Don't see why.

- Mad doesn't need to mean retarded
At this point Cersei should be the main point for Dany to project her frustration, but in the end, Dany don't even know for sure if she is dead, because she is under 5 thousand rocks or so. This means that Dany, after finding out about Tyrions plan, can very well conclude Cersei left with Jaime and spend the next 50 years searching for her in Pentos. The only thing that could prove they didn't would be the boat, if it is still there by a miracle.

If she had went straight for Cersei/Red Keep and killed thousands of innocents by destroying it and letting it fall in the city, or maybe by setting off wildfire, it would still be bad enough, without looking this forced.

There should still be a type of reasoning in place, even if one that makes sense just to her. Burnning houses and innocents for 10 minutes before actually going to the red keep makes no sense.

- We don't see Emilia Clark during the snap
This might be the worst in this shitstorm. I mean, this must be one of the character most defining points, but we never get to see her face during the hell itself. To me this proves how weak the writting was. In the end they could not decide what Dany should be feeling when killing children, so they could not put Emilia on cam. Was she enjoying it? Was she feeling remorse? Was she just blind by anger?

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Neodegenerate said:
DonFerrari said:

Some times people just snap. They have been coping with it for a long time without much hint that they were on the verge of break and them they just snap out of sudden.

Still it was possible to see the traits of her being tyrannically power since first season. As someone said we just didn't see her before killing innocents by the thousand without much as a reason. At least Jon Snow kept being the dumbass he is by doing nothing until it's too late.

I agree that sometimes they snap, but historically on TV shows they have shown the cracks in the armor.  3 episodes ago she was fine with doing whatever it took to protect Westeros.  Now she is taking the scorched earth approach with nothing more than the "look back and see why it might make sense" commentary after.

They have show cracks in the armor since the beginning with the slave owners, or killing a full family because they didn't bend, her lust for power and demanding Jon lies about himself so she doesn't lose her throne, etc. It was anything but sudden.

chakkra said:
Scoobes said:

This turn of events has been hinted at repeatedly since Dany got her dragons. The showrunners have made it extra obvious since she came to Westeros. I'm not sure how you think this is a sudden heel turn.

You know.. I don't have an issue with Daenerys going mad because I was actually expecting it. My issue is that she going to the darkside made all the other characters look like complete morons. Specially Tyrion, I mean, how come Tyrion did not see that coming? In fact, the show led me to believe that Tyrion was doubting her a long time ago. I mean, everytime she did or said something weird we would get a Close Up of Tyrion looking at her with a worrisome expression on his face. But no, all of a sudden he is the most loyal person on earth, going to the point of betraying the man who actually saved his life.

And then he was standing there like: "Oh my man, I know you have good intentions and all, and I know you saved my life once.. but now you are threatening my queen man. And I know she is a bit cray cray but she is my queen now. So I guess you have to die. Sorry"

That's when the show lost me. After that I just didn't care anymore. In fact, when all the massacre was happening I just couldn't stop laughing.

Considering it isn't real life I was also laughing of the scene and how everybody was so full on Dany to end up being blind. And not to forget almost all on her army accepted quite well her madness and started slain people when she started firing even without any provocation.



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vkaraujo said:
haxxiy said:

I agree and that is just crazy.

I am pretty sure we can mathematically prove that Drogon should be propelled backwards, like a rocket/jet plane.

That is, if his bones don't break with that kind of force.

Good call. Thinking about its feats, now, such as instantly breaking apart a building of stone like some sort of science fiction laser, I'm sure Drogon could propel himself out of the planet.

Back on topic, I wish there was some sort of well-paced development to this. Such as Daenerys spending a year destroying Westerosi noble houses in the name of the common folk, like some sort of French Revolution. And Varys, Tyrion and Jon discovering some ancient Children of the Forest manuscript detailing a theory of human rights and war crimes, I suppose.

Now I wonder what sort of bullshit they'll come up with to justify Drogon, the Unsullied and the respawned Dothraki not to freely rampage across Westeros when they inevitably deal with Daenerys. Instead of getting the idea the Westerosi essentialy proven her to be right all along. Bonus points if it involves some speech from the now insufferable Tyrion or Jon.



 

 

 

 

 

DonFerrari said:
Neodegenerate said:

chakkra said:

Considering it isn't real life I was also laughing of the scene and how everybody was so full on Dany to end up being blind. And not to forget almost all on her army accepted quite well her madness and started slain people when she started firing even without any provocation.

This is standard, though. Cities don't simply surrender after a siege begins. The idea anyone was even entertaining to accept a post-siege surrender, and not the massacre, is the unusual part. The only way it would have been more or less historically feasible is if the Lannister army stormed the Red Keep and tossed Cersei and Euron's heads in Daenerys lap after the siege began, but before the walls were taken.

Daenerys was always more enlightened than 99.99% of medieval rulers, who most certainly would have destroyed and killed far, far more than she has. Of course, that's before obliterating King's Landing as if she had been Genghis Khan or Cato the Elder all along. 

You could try to argue they have developed different morals, but everything we know about Westeros and Essos such as the destruction of the Castameres and everything sadistically done to slaves in Essons point to these people being even more depraved and vicious than their real life counterpart cultures.

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