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Forums - General Discussion - GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever. D&D can burn in the seven hells.

 

I'm...

Hyped. 24 55.81%
 
Mildly interested. 11 25.58%
 
Not bothered. 5 11.63%
 
/indifferent/not watched/other in comments. 3 6.98%
 
Total:43

It was good. Personally, I'm satisfied. What happened was unexpected and the conclusion made sense for me.

Jon didn't get to be the heroic king we all wanted him to be but that's the world he lives in, heroes either die or get shafted. The compromise was a nice middle ground between a happy ending and a tragic one. Sam asking for a democracy was a funny scene, he was right of course, but the world isn't ready for it.

Overall I'm glad I watched this series. It's definitely the best fantasy show I've ever watched and even with flaws I can see myself going back to it later in life. I can't wait to try the spinoffs!



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I have several problems with what I just watched, but I will try to name just the main ones

1- Why wouldn't the Dothraki/Unsullied/Grey Worm kill Jon right when they find out about Dany's death. She was a goddess to them.

2- Why would they accept a sentence in Westeros terms?

3- What the Dothraki are going to do next? Are they going to Nath? Really?

4- Why would Tyrion point Bran as best King option. Because of his powers? He can very well be just an advisor.

5- Why would every one else in that meeting agree to that? Yara has plenty of reasons to hate the Starks, they kept Theon as hostage for years. What is Robin horse in that? As far as he knows they used his army without his consent. And Dorne's new prince?

6- Why no one commented on Gendry's claim to the throne? He is a Baratheon now. I mean, he could and should refuse, but that needs to be brought up.

7- If being independent is an option, why wouldn't all other 6 kingdoms go for that?

8- Why are the wildlings going back north of the wall? The Watch existed for centuries just to keep them from invading. They had received The Gift, that's way better land than anything north.

9- Why would anyone give Bronn High Garden??? Are you serious? That's like giving France or Germany based in a bar threat. Just kill him.

10- Why is Davos in the small council?



Minor problems:

1- Podrick as kingsguard?
2- Why Drogon melted the throne? Is he a democrat?
3- Is it winter or not for fuck's sake
4- The fuck is Arya's arc?
5- Really, why is Davos in the small counsil?
6- Sam is a Maester? When the fuck that happened? How much time has passed?



Even knowing what was going to happen thanks to the leaks, this ep was still a pain to watch....What a stupid episode....No character ended good for me...Daenerys death scene was bad acted, drogon reaction was literallly unbelievable, Jon was a coward killer in the end, Tyrion was just a manipulative and cheap character, Sansa and Arya became what they wanted ....yay!!??, and oh my god that counsil.... They were discussing the future of Westeros like if they were discussing how they were going to do a party for a friend, with most people not caring and leaving the uncool guy do the thing, in this case Bran, the most boring and useless character ever written.

Why in the world would any other realm accept a Stark as a King, when even the North is not part of the realms anymore. Not only that, his uncle is King in one of the other 6 realms, so the Starks basically have too much influence in Westeros. Why is Bronn and Brienne there too, and Davos???, they are nobodies. Every part of that scene was cheap, comically bad and absurd (Why Greyworm and their army are allowing discussing Tyrion, Jon and Westeros future to that council??, they are traitors and conspirators of killing their leader, and they are essentially the conquerors of Westeros...They respond to nobody there....smh).

In the end we avoided a person who decided for itself the future of Westeros (monarchy with shades of dictatorship) to an oligarchy of men and a woman who still benefited themselves of the spoils of war. They are now kings, ministers and powerful people. They just still killed, fucked and betrayed anyone in the process like any ruler before them, but ey..., "these guys are the good ones". Nothing will change in Westeros...., these "good people" will disappear someday and the "wheel of power" will come back inevitably then, so ..., what was the purpose of the story then??? What a waste of time...

Last edited by colafitte - on 20 May 2019

7 years I wasted on this..

Okay I could say the journey was nice and it's not about the ending of it. But damn, not like this



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Was very disappointing last season, the different writers were very obvious with the lack of depth and cliched moments. Really was a mediocre ending to a great series



Several finishing thoughts to this series and the thread.

1) The Good

- Jons pets his direwolf, which turns out to have been a normal-sized White Shepherd dog all along.

2) The Bad

- Dany dressed in black and giving Nazi-style speeches in case someone, perhaps in Alpha Centauri, didn't get the message hammered home.

- Jon being a lovestriken sadboi most of the episode.

- Apparently the cave-in that killed Jaime and Cersei was just some of stones plastered to the ceiling that fell loosely to the floor.

- The Iron Islands and Dorne OK with the North being independent and not them, contrary to hundreds of years of history and rebellion.

3) The Ugly

- Tyrion being allowed to speak and his suggestion for a crippled sorcerous boy from the North as king being accepted instantly.

- Bronn as lord of Highgarden and master of the coin. Also, apparently the Reach was empty.

- Arya finding ship and crew to navigate to the west for some reason.

- Grey Worm didn't immediately murder Tyrion and Jon. The Unsullied and dothraki being like "Eh, that's it, then. Thanks, bye."

- In the end, nothing beyond the Wall or about Essos, including Jon and Dany, had any lasting impact. Both storylines could have been excluded from the show.

- "A Song of Fire and Ice." Tee hee! This is just like Frodo and the Lord of the Rings, see?

- Drogon's Simba moment. Apparently its instincts involve doing things for plot symbolism.

- Everything that comes out of Sansa and Arya's mouth. Edmure came back to the at the end of a joke.

- (edited) Daenerys  dying in six seconds while Arya and Jaime were stabbed multiple times and able to ran a marathon through sewage afterwards.

Additional thoughts concerning the adaptation: in the end, not a single decision from the showrunners to deviate from the books proved to be a good one (with the possible exception of correcting's Martin poor sense of scale, such as Westerous = South America and the Wall being 700 feet tall). The flaws began when critical plotlines present in AFFC and ADWD were adapted out. Their distaste for the supernatural aspects of the show severely hampered characters such as Euron, the Starks' relation to their direwolves, some of the prophecies etc.

When they ran out of book material and concluded all loose plotines around season 6, their writing incompetence was laid bare. Yes, they never signed up to finish ASOIAF and Martin is somewhat to blame for his exceedingly slow writing pace. But like I mentioned, their problems began much earlier, when book material was consciously adapted out.

Last edited by haxxiy - on 20 May 2019

 

 

 

 

 

And the end was very meh but expected, sure almost none would get all details right, but the general ending was expected



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haxxiy said:

Several finishing thoughts to this series and the thread.

1) The Good

- Jons pets his direwolf, which turns out to have been a normal-sized White Shepherd dog all along.

2) The Bad

- Dany dressed in black and giving Nazi-style speeches in case someone, perhaps in Alpha Centauri, didn't get the message hammered home.

- Jon being a lovestriken sadboi most of the episode.

- Apparently the cave-in that killed Jaime and Cersei was just some of stones plastered to the ceiling that fell loosely to the floor.

- The Iron Islands and Dorne OK with the North being independent and not them, contrary to hundreds of years of history and rebellion.

3) The Ugly

- Tyrion being allowed to speak and his suggestion for a crippled sorcerous boy from the North as king being accepted instantly.

- Bronn as lord of Highgarden and master of the coin. Also, apparently the Reach was empty.

- Arya finding ship and crew to navigate to the west for some reason.

- Grey Worm didn't immediately murder Tyrion and Jon. The Unsullied and dothraki being like "Eh, that's it, then. Thanks, bye."

- In the end, nothing beyond the Wall or about Essos, including Jon and Dany, had any lasting impact. Both storylines could have been excluded from the show.

- "A Song of Fire and Ice." Tee hee! This is just like Frodo and the Lord of the Rings, see?

- Drogon's Simba moment. Apparently its instincts involve doing things for plot symbolism.

- Everything that comes out of Sansa and Arya's mouth. Edmure came back to the at the end of a joke.

I 100% agree in each point you made and i will add as awful the absolute lack of tension and drama in the first half of the episode. It didn't feel as if the stakes were high. The scene with Daenerys and Jon just went and gone without feeling anything, it just happened because it seemed it needed to happen because the plot demanded it.... and then that stupid tonal shift at the council scene with Edmure being a clown and Arya and Sansa acting smug (uggh) followed by that reunion at the table with more bad jokes and Bran basically no giving any fucks about ruling Westeros...It made everything underwhelming and small.



colafitte said:

Even knowing what was going to happen thanks to the leaks, this ep was still a pain to watch....What a stupid episode....No character ended good for me...Daenerys death scene was bad acted, drogon reaction was literallly unbelievable, Jon was a coward killer in the end, Tyrion was just a manipulative and cheap character, Sansa and Arya became what they wanted ....yay!!??, and oh my god that counsil.... They were discussing the future of Westeros like if they were discussing how they were going to do a party for a friend, with most people not caring and leaving the uncool guy do the thing, in this case Bran, the most boring and useless character ever written.

What was unbelieveable about Drogon's reaction? How was it supposed to react based on your knowledge about dragons?

There was a scene in earlier episode where Drogon stared Jon for a while. I knew it meant there's something the dragon aknowledges about Jon but it was impossible to tell whether it was like "omg you've got to kill this crazy bitch" or "slice my momma and I'lll roast you" or something else. We can only guess its motives to burn the throne, but I think it's good that a mystical creature leaves some mystery behind. Who was going to explain its reasoning anyway.. a narrator? Voice actor for Drogon?

"Why in the world would any other realm accept a Stark as a King, when even the North is not part of the realms anymore. Not only that, his uncle is King in one of the other 6 realms, so the Starks basically have too much influence in Westeros." I don't know why it would be such a big of a deal. Edmure Tully is not a Stark and marriages & connections between houses is common anyway. King doesn't even have a house that rules one of the regions anymore. What disadvantage would there be to other realms if Bran is the king? Not to mention he's not an ordinary fella.

"Why is Bronn and Brienne there too, and Davos???, they are nobodies. Every part of that scene was cheap, comically bad and absurd (Why Greyworm and their army are allowing discussing Tyrion, Jon and Westeros future to that council??, they are traitors and conspirators of killing their leader, and they are essentially the conquerors of Westeros...They respond to nobody there....smh)." So now that a character makes a rational choice it also goes down as bad writing? This is getting ridiculous.. Greyworm was a commander of ex-slave army from another continent ffs he wasn't a politician or a leader. You really think he and his army were in any position to start ruling Westeros just like that eh? Without Dany and her dragon? Makes much more sense he put revenge aside and chose what's best for him and his army. Lannisters who killed Missandei were slaughtered already.

edit. -"The Iron Islands and Dorne OK with the North being independent and not them, contrary to hundreds of years of history and rebellion."  Don't see why Dorne would demand independence since Lannisters and houses ruling Reach are pretty much wiped out. It wasn't too long ago The Iron Islands rebelled and failed with heavy losses. Surely they'd benefit more from being part of Westeros. I mean, the North makes most sense to push for independence, they were portrayed in the show to be a bit different from the rest.

It really feels some viewers try to twist every single detail to something that doesn't make sense :D

Last edited by KiigelHeart - on 20 May 2019