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GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever.

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I'm...

Hyped. 24 55.81%
 
Mildly interested. 11 25.58%
 
Not bothered. 5 11.63%
 
/indifferent/not watched/other in comments. 3 6.98%
 
Total:43

I've had mixed feelings on this season so far. But this episode hit it out of the park. I have a few nitpicks, but overall great.



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That... was just stupid. I didn't give the writers much credit, but I was obviously wrong to go out on a limb and give them that small defense. They managed to accomplish this in the dumbest manner possible. They give her the win in a relatively easy victory with minimal civilian casualties despite all the gnashing of teeth. Have her spend most of the episode in mourning but otherwise intact.

Then, YOLO, let's just murder a million innocent people. No necessity, no moral gray area, just straight-up mass murder for the sake of it.

¯l_(ツ)_/¯

I know the show wants it to be deep and heavy and emotional. But all I can think of are synonyms for stupid.



Marth said:
This was so stupid lol

Exactly this.  I was actually laughing out loud the whole episode.  Needless to say I have absolutely zero desire to watch the final episode now.



shikamaru317 said:

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I'd sooner watch a 10 hour marathon of Jar Jar Binks than I would rewatch The Last Jedi again. I'm happy of the recent rumors that Rian's trilogy has been cancelled or downgraded from a theatrical release to Disney+, while the Benioff and Weiss trilogy seems to still be getting a theatrical release. 

The so-called teleporting is a common technique in many shows and movies, popularized by Star Trek, where starships were shown to move at inconsistent speeds in various episodes, sometimes taking days to travel a distance that is covered in hours in another episode. This phenomenon is known as "travelling at the speed of plot", it is nothing new. Basically the writers needed Jon and the others to be saved quickly, so Dany flew the 1000+ miles between Dragonstone to the North to save them in just a few hours. The writers needed Bronn in the north quickly for plot reasons, so he crossed the 1000 miles between King's Landing and Winterfell in just a few days (a feat that would be impossible unless he changed to a fresh horse every 10 miles or so, and rode for several days and nights with no sleep). I'm personally not going to criticize the GoT creative team for falling back on a trope that has been used in dozens of earlier IP's. Bronn sneaking into Winterfell is a nitpick, they could have shown him bribing his way past the guards or something, but it would have been unnecessary. Dany losing another dragon was something that needed to happen for plot reasons, their end goal is clearly to have her go crazy and become her father, something they've been slowly building toward throughout the whole series. The deaths of Jorah, Missandei, and Rhaegal in the span of 2 episodes (as well as other factors such as Jon having a stronger claim to the throne than her) is designed to push her to the edge of insanity, and Varys' betrayal and possibly some other events in the next 2 episodes will push her past the edge. Maybe they could have made Rhaegal's death more realistic, but they had just 6 episodes to wrap up the show, they were clearly rushed for time. 

We do indeed have to agree to disagree.  Johnson tried to stretch Star Wars and challenge the audience.  I loved what he did in the Luke/Rey/Ben sections.  This guy really gets Star Wars.  Unfortunately, he seemed bored with the rest of the movie, the chase seen and Finn's BS, but my goodness, he nailed the Force and how to deconstruct and put back together Star Wars' basic principles.  Unfortunately, the internet kinda got hung up on "Luke wouldn't do that" nonsense despite Luke's motivations being carefully tailored to his character flaws in the Original Trilogy.

It's unfortunate, and we'll receive nothing but safe movies from here on out that will be bland, won't upset the fans anymore by stretching what the characters are beyond simplistic 2D characters, and we'll get stupid mystery boxes and fan service instead.

As for moving at the speed of plot.  The show never did it until Varys accomplished it at the end of Season 6.  I could have lived with it, when it didn't break the plot.  I was okay and defended it for a couple episodes at the beginning of Season 7, but the ice rescue sequence was a point where I couldn't defend it.  And we have it here again.  Jaime leaving weeks later, catches up with the army.  That might be remotely plausible as armies are slower than a single rider, but somehow Arya and the Hound, who left before the army arrive...later?  Lacking a reason they would be slowed down, that's really just a continuity error.

And yes, other shows do it.  Jack Bauer spent I don't know how many seasons transporting around Los Angeles.  The thing is, though, it was always there.  They didn't have him stuck in traffic trying to get across the city for multiple seasons only to introduce the transporter later.

No, Bronn showing up armed with a massive weapon is not a nit-pick.  Tyrion's the flippin' Hand of the Queen.

As I've detailed throughout the thread, they've done a terrible job of portraying Dany as mad.  And she reacted to the death rationally... until she didn't a couple weeks later.  Flippin' hell, why'd she bother to wait?  She really won the battle all by herself.  She could have hit King's Landing on a random Tuesday when they wouldn't have been expecting it and, if anything, it would have been safer since they wouldn't have been preparing for battle.

There's no reason they should be rushed for time at all.  They made the decision to cram the endgame into only 13 episodes.  Heck, they made the decision to spend two episodes instead of just one waiting for the Battle of Winterfell.  Granted they were the two best episodes of the season so far, but they were also 1/3 of the season spent waiting for something to happen.  No reason they couldn't have made it a single 90 minute episode.

Above all, you think HBO wouldn't have picked up the tab for however many episodes they wanted to end the show properly.  This show sells HBO subscriptions like mad.  They would have happily had it last another full season.

Last edited by NightlyPoe - on 13 May 2019

It could have worked if they had spent more time developing it but they fidn't and it hasn't, I can imagine a parallel universe where I'm watching this as the penultimate episode and being blown away by it had they pushed parts of season 7, elogated this season and got the order of events right but most importantly developed the characters properly without cutaways. All the points are there, every brick in the wall is in the right place but each brick is a different type of stone and the cement holding them together is the excrement of the writing team.

Dany going nuts could have been epic it's such a pity it was presented the way it was. Arya going all the way to kings landing to turn back by the hounds protest, maybe but we now know it was just the writers placing her there so she can see what Dany has done, guess who'll kill Dany? I wonder who...

They might as well have killed Euron on his ship, what the fuck was that shit. They really love using the shore to conveniently place character's in this show.

Cleganes vengeance could have been great if it didm't hinge on so much other tathered nonsense around it and if Kyburns mqgic didn't just suddenly fail after all the mountain has done,ffs, he just saved Cersei with his head.

The visuals were great, at least there is that.



 

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pikashoe said:
I find it funny how many people are surprised by what danerys did. They've been blatantly setting this up since the first season.

It doesn't matter when it was set up, the execution and how it was developed was piss poor. There was so much time and so much they could have done in season 7 and prior to the battle of winterfell to develop it but they went ahead and rushed it, hell, I would even question now if they had an end goal when finishing season 7 or they had multiple and mix and mathed them together. 



 

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John2290 said:
It could have worked if they had spent more time developing it but they fidn't and it hasn't, I can imagine a parallel universe where I'm watching this as the penultimate episode and being blown away by it had they pushed parts of season 7, elogated this season and got the order of events right but most importantly developed the characters properly without cutaways. All the points are there, every brick in the wall is in the right place but each brick is a different type of stone and the cement holding them together is the excrement of the writing team.

Dany going nuts could have been epic it's such a pity it was presented the way it was. Arya going all the way to kings landing to turn back by the hounds protest, maybe but we now know it was just the writers placing her there so she can see what Dany has done, guess who'll kill Dany? I wonder who...

They might as well have killed Euron on his ship, what the fuck was that shit. They really love using the shore to conveniently place character's in this show.

Cleganes vengeance could have been great if it didm't hinge on so much other tathered nonsense around it and if Kyburns mqgic didn't just suddenly fail after all the mountain has done,ffs, he just saved Cersei with his head.

The visuals were great, at least there is that.

Dude, I feel like you are hacking my fucking head and writing stuff by me because I agree pretty much with almost everything you wrote here.

This episode was very good. I have no problem with a GoT character going to whichever direction any writer wants to take them as long as it feels right. And I don't think they nailed Dany's turn to the Dark Side.

After watching this episode I no longer feel like the writers ruined the characters but I still feel like they did ruin their journeys by possibly taking shortcuts and summarizing stuff to bring the show to an abrupt end (for whatever reason they may have had to rush things and end the show).

I still have problems with how Varys jumped to that abrupt conclusion of Dany and I don't agree with the abrupt change in Dany (they should have shown Dany making a real questionable decision in front of Varys about innocent people and written Dany not to be so much of an icon of justice and hope), But I kind of like the end result here in this episode.

Of course, I am not entirely sold 100% in everything in this episode. Some deaths or the way they came to be felt somewhat cheap and Euron, man, Euron feels like someone they tagged at the last minute, never fleshed out, and then ended up being a superfluous character. I think he had potential, a potential that could have possibly being realized with another season that I feel was extremely necessary for this show to allow events to breathe and unfold organically, but that didn't happen.

NightlyPoe said:

We do indeed have to agree to disagree.  Johnson tried to stretch Star Wars and challenge the audience.  I loved what he did in the Luke/Rey/Ben sections.  This guy really gets Star Wars.  Unfortunately, he seemed bored with the rest of the movie, the chase seen and Finn's BS, but my goodness, he nailed the Force and how to deconstruct and put back together Star Wars' basic principles.  Unfortunately, the internet kinda got hung up on "Luke wouldn't do that" nonsense despite Luke's motivations being carefully tailored to his character flaws in the Original Trilogy.

It's unfortunate, and we'll receive nothing but safe movies from here on out that will be bland, won't upset the fans anymore by stretching what the characters are beyond simplistic 2D characters, and we'll get stupid mystery boxes and fan service instead.

Rian Johnson made a complete joke out of Star Wars. He single-handedly destroyed the core of Star Wars: the Jedi. How can someone who supposedly "get's Star Wars" render the Padawan-Master relationship completely useless by making someone who ISN'T EVEN A JEDI completely make a joke of a Jedi Master like Luke Skywalker by defeating him and be shown to be wiser than him by getting the situation when Luke didn't.

There should be a difference between someone with affinity with the Force (potential), a Jedi, and a Jedi Master. If you can attain the power, the skills, the knowledge and get the idea of what is right as a Force sensitive person without any Jedi training, then there is ZERO need for the Jedi and the Jedi training, and the Jedi become a complete joke. Go back to Yoda telling Luke he needs more training and that he wasn't ready, go back to the Prequels and the excitement and prestige in the idea of becoming a Jedi. Go back to Anakin's outrage at not attaining the rank of Master, go back to Anakin who, in spite of being the Chosen One, gets his ass kicked by Obi-Wan a Jedi Master. All of those things are completely mocked and rendered useless with a Wonder Rey that needs no training to be the most AWESOMEST character EVER!

There is a before I was a Jedi and an after I became a Jedi, a clear distinction depicted between Episode V and VI. And Johnson in his quest to "subvert expectations" and make Wonder Rey the bastion of wonder murdered the Jedi and made a complete joke out of all the villains and all the potential threats in this trilogy to even care about any of it. And now they dust off the Emperor because they have no threat to excuse another movie.

A hero is as great as the challenges and difficulties he/she overcomes, and Wonder Rey has no match and no challenge.



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Welp, there wasn't a ton of pointless talking but the whole episode felt overly drawn out of the dragon just torching the city, plus watching Arya run away for another 10 minutes was mind-numbing, like this whole season has been so far. Somehow the people in charge of those weapons on the wall and the ships went from expert marksmanship to the aim of NPCs from FF



NobleTeam360 said:

Welp, there wasn't a ton of pointless talking but the whole episode felt overly drawn out of the dragon just torching the city, plus watching Arya run away for another 10 minutes was mind-numbing, like this whole season has been so far. Somehow the people in charge of those weapons on the wall and the ships went from expert marksmanship to the aim of NPCs from FF

Yes, their aim turned into Stormtrooper quality. lol

Funny that Dany didn't do this the first time she encountered the fleet since the circumstances were the same: a fleet, the weapons, the dragon... I suppose in the first encounter the wind didn't feel right or she was too "shocked" to put into action the elaborate plan she put in tonight's episode of making the dragon do dragon stuff.



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I think this season is very stupid, this episode just shows it all

I saw Danaerys going mad a long time ago, but this is like when we knew anakin was going to be vader and he turns from an angry bratty kid into a mass murderer in 2 scenes