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One of the better episodes of the season. I have no idea why people think Dany's snapping was too sudden. It's been hinted and her character developed to it for many seasons.

The ending of Jamie and Cercei was good and somehow a bit sad, and the fight between Hound and Mountain was cool as fuck. The one character they completely wasted was Euron though.. what a pointless and lame fight between him and Jamie and then that awful "omg omg I killed Jamie Lannister" line geez lol. So bad.

edit. I must add I always thought Euron was a useless and poorly-written character anyway. Reminded me of that bad guy from Commando.



Hiku said:
KiigelHeart said:

One of the better episodes of the season. I have no idea why people think Dany's snapping was too sudden. It's been hinted and her character developed to it for many seasons.

Not that she would kill innocent people.
She had killed enemies, and traitors who refused to yield. There's a long way between that and focusing on melting innocent women and children while giving Cercei (the real enemy) time to escape. 

Yeah when the bells were ringing and there was the shot of her staring at the Red Keep, I thought for sure she was going to go straight to it to deal with Cersei and that would have been in character and in line with her previous actions but for her to take a 20 minute detour to kill thousands of civilians just doesn't make sense.



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Hiku said:
KiigelHeart said:

One of the better episodes of the season. I have no idea why people think Dany's snapping was too sudden. It's been hinted and her character developed to it for many seasons.

Not that she would kill innocent people.
She had killed enemies, and traitors who refused to yield. There's a long way between that and focusing on melting innocent women and children while giving Cercei (the real enemy) time to escape. 

Foreshadowing is not the same as having a proper and satisfying conclusion.

Well I disagree, during this season and the episode she started to see all of Westeros as her enemies. She was threatened and felt betrayed by everyone, she even said she chooses fear. She was also hungry for power and wanted everyone bow down to her. She was ready to burn the place down if Cercei didn't surrender and Cercei didn't. It didn't matter to her anymore when the bells were ringing, Cercei didn't bow down but killed yet another of her friends. 

Her going straight to Cercei would not have been in line with her character anymore. Maybe a season ago before her arriving at Westeros but not anymore.



Hiku said:

Yeah, and they could have even done something like having the Lanister army blend into the crowd, holding them hostage while threatening to blow up part of Dany's army using wildfire explosives, or a hidden Scorpion aimed at Drogon, etc.
If Dany made the decision there to take out the Lanister army + the civilians, that would have been a ruthless choice, and maybe a first step into the character she turned into here, but it would have made a lot more sense than what actually happened.

Her insistence on targeting the civilians as if they're more of an enemy than Cercei made the whole thing make even less sense.

Nah, that would be what every other ruthless and calculating leader would have done. The thing is, Dany was never build to be calculating. Her character has been very different from others who wanted the throne. 



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KiigelHeart said:
Hiku said:

Yeah, and they could have even done something like having the Lanister army blend into the crowd, holding them hostage while threatening to blow up part of Dany's army using wildfire explosives, or a hidden Scorpion aimed at Drogon, etc.
If Dany made the decision there to take out the Lanister army + the civilians, that would have been a ruthless choice, and maybe a first step into the character she turned into here, but it would have made a lot more sense than what actually happened.

Her insistence on targeting the civilians as if they're more of an enemy than Cercei made the whole thing make even less sense.

Nah, that would be what every other ruthless and calculating leader would have done. The thing is, Dany was never build to be calculating. Her character has been very different from others who wanted the throne. 

The way she takes the cities in Slaver's Bay does show she's a calculating (and ruthless) leader. She blindsides the Slave Masters of Astapor, tricks the military leaders of Yunkai leading to an easy victory and for Meereen she not only doesn't execute the men who she's just learned have betrayed her but uses them in a mission that allow her to take the city.



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KiigelHeart said:
Hiku said:

Not that she would kill innocent people.
She had killed enemies, and traitors who refused to yield. There's a long way between that and focusing on melting innocent women and children while giving Cercei (the real enemy) time to escape. 

Foreshadowing is not the same as having a proper and satisfying conclusion.

Well I disagree, during this season and the episode she started to see all of Westeros as her enemies. She was threatened and felt betrayed by everyone, she even said she chooses fear. She was also hungry for power and wanted everyone bow down to her. She was ready to burn the place down if Cercei didn't surrender and Cercei didn't. It didn't matter to her anymore when the bells were ringing, Cercei didn't bow down but killed yet another of her friends. 

Her going straight to Cercei would not have been in line with her character anymore. Maybe a season ago before her arriving at Westeros but not anymore.

She chooses fear and wanted everyone to bow down to her. But then she killed everyone, so no one is left to fear her or to bow down. Stupidest move ever.

She wants, since the beginning, to be Queen. She wants to rule. For that, you need people and a kingdom to rule. If you destroy everything and kill everyone, then you're not a Queen or King, just a murderer. Huge difference between "killing and being ruthless to become what she wanted" and "killing and destroying what she always wanted because her nephew wasn't in the mood last night". And of course, let's not forget that she completely ignores her enemy, letting Cersei escape (or the possibility to escape at least), because it's obviously more important to kill innocent kids in the street for 30 minutes. The writers butchered her character development and this whole sequence was embarrassing. If they really wanted to make her a Mad Queen, they should have added 2 or 3 episodes to show how she would evolve like this. Oh, and they should also have learned to write a story, or hire an other writer (a competent one) to write that part. They just don't have the skill for anything deeper than dumb butchery.

EDIT: She could even try to kill Jon, it would have been a lot smarter and more logical than what they made her do.



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No one left to fear her? It's just a one city after all. Doesn't Westeros have like many kingdoms? Now there's definitely reason to fear her. For a moment her dragons looked vulnerable.

And yes I still say she sees enemies everywhere. Obviously she won't tell Jon, the rightful heir, that. Her options were pretty much to accept the surrender which would likely lead Jon taking the throne or choose the fear and become a tyrant. Of course I don't think she had a clear plan, she hasn't had one for a while. She's been portrayed to be driven by the hunger for power and anger for a good while.

She executed Varys without emotion. Tyrion plead her to stop the attack if she heard the bells but you could tell she wouldn't accept it. And Robert Baratheon said the world would burn if Dany came to Westeros :P There was no need for her to go full HEERE'S JOHNNY at any point, we've seen her slowly descenting into madness.

There's plenty of other poorly written plotlines or retconning in latest seasons and yeah everything feels a bit rushed. This one was fine though. Predictable, but fine.

edit. Oh and that Sansa example is a bad one. Completely different characters. There's a reason why so many viewers including myself have been thinking Dany is being corrupted by power and going mad for many seasons. Nobody expects anything like this from Sansa. 

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Faelco said:
KiigelHeart said:

Well I disagree, during this season and the episode she started to see all of Westeros as her enemies. She was threatened and felt betrayed by everyone, she even said she chooses fear. She was also hungry for power and wanted everyone bow down to her. She was ready to burn the place down if Cercei didn't surrender and Cercei didn't. It didn't matter to her anymore when the bells were ringing, Cercei didn't bow down but killed yet another of her friends. 

Her going straight to Cercei would not have been in line with her character anymore. Maybe a season ago before her arriving at Westeros but not anymore.

She chooses fear and wanted everyone to bow down to her. But then she killed everyone, so no one is left to fear her or to bow down. Stupidest move ever.

She wants, since the beginning, to be Queen. She wants to rule. For that, you need people and a kingdom to rule. If you destroy everything and kill everyone, then you're not a Queen or King, just a murderer. Huge difference between "killing and being ruthless to become what she wanted" and "killing and destroying what she always wanted because her nephew wasn't in the mood last night". And of course, let's not forget that she completely ignores her enemy, letting Cersei escape (or the possibility to escape at least), because it's obviously more important to kill innocent kids in the street for 30 minutes. The writers butchered her character development and this whole sequence was embarrassing. If they really wanted to make her a Mad Queen, they should have added 2 or 3 episodes to show how she would evolve like this. Oh, and they should also have learned to write a story, or hire an other writer (a competent one) to write that part. They just don't have the skill for anything deeper than dumb butchery.

EDIT: She could even try to kill Jon, it would have been a lot smarter and more logical than what they made her do.

She chose fear by attacking King's Landing, but at no point did I get the impression this was Dany at her most calculating. This was pure unadulterated rage and anger over events since coming to Westeros so "stupidest move ever" actually fits the bill for what was happening and is still completely in keeping with her character arc.

I really don't see how anyone can complain when her character has been developing up to this point for 8 seasons. She's always shown signs of brutality and a general lack of empathy but always has someone to calm her darker impulses and fuel her narcissism.



Moving this discussion to the next episode... who do people think is going to be on the Iron Throne by the end?

Given the fact that many story arcs seem to be coming full circle (Mad Targaryen on the Throne again, Jaime going back to Cersei, Arya looking like a little girl again), I'm going to go with Gendry Baratheon, who ends up in a loveless political marriage with Sansa but spends the next 20 years pining over Arya, and drinks and whores himself into a fat King surrounded devious schemers. And Podrick will be his Hand...

I'm joking... but it could happen!

Oh, and Ghost will come back to piss on Jon's corpse... and possibly the Throne for good measure. Seriously, just pet him FFS!